BREXIT

[agricola]

So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation

I dont swallow that. Sure, things might be tough, but weve had tough before. In my lifetime, weve rebuilt our nation, without any help from those quitters in europe, who are an ungrateful bunch of milksops, who'll be banging on our door with their hands up again when the red army comes rolling across the plains

Just sayin

[VNA]

So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation

In a word NO!
Every expert analysis demonstrates that we will be poorer under May’s deal, and considerably poorer again under a NO DEAL scenario.

In other words we benefit greatly from our full membership of the EU.

[YamFazFan]

There's more to life than just money.

[agricola]

So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation

In a word NO!
Every expert analysis demonstrates that we will be poorer under May’s deal, and considerably poorer again under a NO DEAL scenario.

In other words we benefit greatly from our full membership of the EU

Thats easy to say
Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought
Prior to EU membership, we had a steel industry, fishing industry, agricultural industry, textile industry, footwear industry.
Prior to EU membership, if I wanted to change my job, I simply walked out of one on a Friday, and into another on the following Monday.
Prior to EU membership, food shopping meant a short walk to the town main street to buy fresh food products grown/reared within spitting distance, not from the other side of the world in refrigerated container ships.
Water, energy and transport were all under national control, with forward planning, and serving the public that owned them
If I wanted, I could walk into my doctors surgery and get to see the doc the same day
As a general rule, I could buy anything from the local high street
Harmonisation of working time directives meant that my employer could change my terms and conditions at a moments notice without my agreement, increase my hours, force me to work weekend shifts including nights at no extra pay
There was a place in the local school for every child in that catchment area
The streets were swept on a weekly basis
Petrol didn't rot my cars fuel system
Criminals were sent jail
The nation wasn't full of people addicted to online bingo#
24 hour drinking wasn't needed, you could get enough before they shut at 1030
The streets weren't covered in fast food packaging, vomit, drug paraphernalia, dog shit, homeless people
British people were tough in the face of adversity
I could walk home from the pub without fear of being battered into the A&E dept on my LOCAL hospital and spending 3 days on a trolley
My girlfriend could walk home from the pub without fear of being stalked and or molested bu someone who was living here illegally


I'm stopping here


So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU

[nick crisp]

Funny how all these predictions of the UK being this much or that much worse off have suddenly hit the headlines today. BofE for instance. And this would be the same BofE that didn't predict the 2008 financial crash?  :rolleyes
Governments own figures project for 15 years. So I guess in 1993, they should have been able to predict the 2008 financial crash too?  :rolleyes


In 15 years, I wonder if there'll even be an EU.

[VNA]

Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought

That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK.

So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU

Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too. :eek
You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard.  But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.

[YamFazFan]

I presume that Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland will also be represented.

And also a prominent 'Leave' conservative as both Theresa May and Corbyn were Remainers at the time of the referendum.

[VNA]

Funny how all these predictions of the UK being this much or that much worse off have suddenly hit the headlines today. BofE for instance. And this would be the same BofE that didn't predict the 2008 financial crash?  [img alt=:rolleyes]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Governments own figures project for 15 years. So I guess in 1993, they should have been able to predict the 2008 financial crash too?  [img alt=:rolleyes]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Err no.  These are financial forecasts not predictions. 
There is nothing new here.

[VNA]

And also a prominent 'Leave' conservative as both Theresa May and Corbyn were Remainers at the time of the referendum.

Boy.  That’s quite a thought.  The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition from within her party perhaps?
The idea of such a farce sums up nicely where we find ourselves as a result of the 2016 referendum.
Perhaps it should be broadcast all across Europe so they can all wet themselves watching Great Britain make a rip roaring James Hunt of itself.

[YamFazFan]

I suggest Jacob Rees-mogg. A well balanced debate would be good

[VNA]

Aye, well, it is after all about the Tory party.

[mtread]

Just to make one thing clear, VAT is not an EU invention. It existed before the EU, and many Non-EU countries have also adopted VAT systems. 

[VNA]

I suggest Jacob Rees-mogg. A well balanced debate would be good [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/img]

Yeah lets just make it a Tory debate.
The live TV Tory BREXIT debate.
Theresa May, Great Britain’s Prime Minister representing her deal, the only deal – May’s BREXIT.
For a NO DEAL BREXIT I give you multi-millionaire, hedge fund manager Jacob Rees-mogg.
For ditch article 50 and REMAIN in the EU, I give you lead No Deal BREXITEER’s Boris Johnston’s brother Jo Johnston.
Roll up roll up.  Come and watch the Tory party tear itself apart.  Roll up roll up come and see the great English fools.  Roll up roll up - lets all laugth at Great Britain. :lol 

[YamFazFan]

Apparently the Liberal Party (12 MP's) and the Green Party (1 MP) wish to be included in the debate.

[mtread]

Or we could have the (failed 7 times) non MP bore Farage  :lol

[agricola]

Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought

That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK.

So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU

Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too. :eek
You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard.  But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.

So tell me how Im better off in the EU then

[agricola]

Two items from our local news bulletins this morning. Vernon Coker MP, pleading in parliament for the govt to act on the nationwide scourge of violent (knife and gun attacks) crime, and the erection of anti terrorist barriers around the streets of the city to prevent terrorists ramming cars into pedestrians. We never had either of those before the EU

[YamFazFan]

Or we could have the (failed 7 times) non MP bore Farage  :lol

I've always liked Nigel Farage. He speaks a lot of sense, but I doubt he'll make it onto the panel.


If it's on Channel four or the BBC I expect it'll comprise of about 7 prominant Remainers and Mrs May.

[mtread]

We never had either of those before the EU

Are you just making this stuff up  :rolleyes
We never had 'Strictly Come Dancing' before the EU either.......

[mtread]

If it's on Channel four or the BBC I expect it'll comprise of about 7 prominant Remainers and Mrs May.

But that's 8 prominent Remainers