BREXIT

[mtread]

As to every item being 20% cheaper, I don't think your arithmetic quite works. Perhaps you could show your workings? 

Fazersharp still waiting to see your calculations, or is this just another Leave Lie?  :pokefun

[slimwilly]

Haha,, soon we will, gave BREXIT, March,,,bring it on then we can get our act together

[fazersharp]

As to every item being 20% cheaper, I don't think your arithmetic quite works. Perhaps you could show your workings? 

Fazersharp still waiting to see your calculations, or is this just another Leave Lie?  :pokefun

Ok everything being 18% cheaper

[mtread]

No you are still misleading everybody. It isn't 18% of the price. It is (on average) 18% of the VAT collected. So that's 18% of the (maximum) 20% of the price. Which makes things at best 3.6% cheaper. Of course we then get EU subsidies.


Is that too complicated, or just another pro Brexit lie?

[fazersharp]

No you are still misleading everybody. It isn't 18% of the price. It is (on average) 18% of the VAT collected. So that's 18% of the (maximum) 20% of the price. Which makes things at best 3.6% cheaper. Of course we then get EU subsidies.

Is that too complicated, or just another pro Brexit lie?

3.6% it is then.
You mean the EU subsidies that they kindly give us from our own money that we have already paid to them, of which they decide where it has to be spent.
And that is what the bus was saying, at the moment we send the money £250million after rebates to the EU every week £350 million Gross lets fund the NHS instead all the bus was saying is getting back control so we can spend it on what we want I seriously do not believe most brexiters took the bus slogan literally.
The remainers love to think so as they can weaponise it in their arguments. They like to think the brexiteers are so stupid that they believed every word on the bus. The whole lies were said thing has been done to death its boring- both sides were guilty of it - er surprise ! -- they were politicians. I think the British public saw through all of it.       

[mtread]

Well that's another piece of Brexit misinformation corrected then :lol
Actually I'd like to see the source of your original figure, as it doesn't match what I've seen.
If we look at some real facts https://select-statistics.co.uk/blog/much-eu-cost-uk/ it shows that the UK pays into the EU less per person than most of the major EU economies. Less than Netherlands, Belgium etc, and even less than Spain and Ireland.

[VNA]

The remainers love to think so as they can weaponise it in their arguments. They like to think the brexiteers are so stupid that they believed every word on the bus. The whole lies were said thing has been done to death its boring- both sides were guilty of it - er surprise ! -- they were politicians. I think the British public saw through all of it. 

This is just meaningless waffle.  Waffle because either you are avoiding, or are in fact, unable to address the substance. 

[mtread]

The remainers love to think so as they can weaponise it in their arguments.

An interesting turn of phrase. I'll translate it as 'using real facts to prove a point'  :lol

[YamFazFan]

Just been listening to the Nicky Campbell phone-in show on Radio 5 Live.


It's crystal clear that the majority of Remainers have absolutely no interest or respect for democracy, just an obsession with permanently overturning the referendum result by any means possible.


They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.


It will be a very brave (stupid) government that reverses the democratic decision of over 17 million people.

[mtread]

It will be a very brave (stupid) government that reverses the democratic decision of over 17 million people.

Except presumably, with another referendum?

[fazersharp]

It will be a very brave (stupid) government that reverses the democratic decision of over 17 million people.

Except presumably, with another referendum?

I say bring it on - lets do it all again but there must be a no deal - revert to WTO rules as an option.

[mtread]

I'd be happy with that.


If May's deal is rejected, which it probably will be, then a referendum should be Remain as is /Leave No Deal WTO.


With the public now informed, the result should be binding.

[steve 10562cc]

Let it be as binding as the remainers want the last one to be. Or better still let just book the third Tuesday every June for an IN/OUT of the EU referendum till we get a 100% majority either way.

[YamFazFan]

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.


If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

[YamFazFan]

I say bring it on - lets do it all again

We don't have to keep on proving that we can win.


Remain are hoping that through voter fatigue etc...they can scrape even a 1% majority and declare the matter settled forever.


They won't be calling for a best of three in that case you can rest assured of that. Same as if they'd won the first one, they wouldn't in a million years have agreed to a second.

[fazersharp]

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

If we don't include the stay option - then when the vote is won to leave with no deal they will never give up..

Vote vote and more votes I think we should have them all the time and for everything. Forget smart meters and instead fit every home with a voting console, we can then do away with the house of commons and the lords and turn them both into hotels.

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg288000#msg288000 date=1543407628]

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

If we don't include the stay option - then when the vote is won to leave with no deal they will never give up..
[/quote]
If the vote is won to leave with no deal in that scenario. What if it's not and they win it by the same margin that Leave won the first one?.All of a sudden it'll be a 'convincing victory' and we'll stuck in that rotten to the core institution forever.
Even if Leave won again they'll never 'give up'. They're like the worshippers of some discredited cult religion.

No we've had the referendum. Leave won. It's over. There should be no talk of another, only how we leave.

[VNA]

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

Fazersharp, So clearly you accept that people didn’t really know what BREXIT was when they voted for it.

No we've had the referendum. Leave won. It's over. There should be no talk of another, only how we leave.

You just do not get it YamFazYam.  It may not be possible.  Right now it looks like parliament will vote down May’s deal.  If May survives that, and I think she will, she will come back for a another go, she will then exert the maximum possible pressure on the house to vote it through.  Call it project fear for Westminster – and she will pull all the stops out.  If that then fails, well we have a full-blown parliamentary crisis. 
The question is how you get out of that.
And I would suggest to you, for all the talk at the moment of NO DEAL – perhaps you should forget it.  May’s deal might get through, but parliament in the event of a looming NO DEAL will act and stop it.
And remember May’s deal means we give up our sovereignty and enter into an agreement in which we accept rules will be imposed on us by others, and further there is no way out of it without the agreement of the EU.

[fazersharp]

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

Fazersharp, So clearly you accept that people didn’t really know what BREXIT was when they voted for it.

Not me that one -wrong quote - come back later when you have had a wee -dram or 2.

[VNA]

Fazersharp, sorry bud :o
I'm quoting you quoting YamFazFan but addressing yourself :o
Doh Doh Doh! :o
Sorry.