BREXIT

[VNA]

Me too. I'm getting bored with this.

Thing is, if we don’t wise up and bin it…………


What the BREXITEERS don’t realise (the ring leaders do) is that this will go on for years.  It will probably take at least ten years to complete BREXIT.  And we have at least 3 years of trying to get a permanent position in place, and if we fail we get stuck with May’s deal, that is if she can actually get it through parliament and the Spanish don’t veto it.


So, and as you already know mtread, if we are all already bored with it, we need to all understand this is just the first two years of many many years.


And at the end of the day – it’s all about the Tory party.

[ogri48]

shall we leave it now fellers?
I think weve all had enough...

[dazza]

Yes, let's bury it.......After I've offloaded this.... :lol


My brother and Dad have both bought properties in the Romanian mountains.  The local Romanians they have met have nothing but contempt for the EU.
Since they joined everything has gone up in price affecting everyone.
Their way of life is being affected by EU bullshit and red tape so they say.
The country may well be getting a hand out but it doesn't filter down to the bottom of the food chain.


I agree with Fazersharp, us leaving will unsettle the EU as other nations will follow suit.
This is why(and it's so foccing obvious) that they are making it as difficult as possible for us to leave.
I've seen first hand how our standard of living has been eroded by cheap labour.
I've seen groups of Eastern Europeans sleeping in a camper vans outside a building site.
No bills to pay, family to support(over here at least) rent or mortgage to fork out.
No wonder they can undercut our daily rates.
One was telling me how, for €50 000 he'd built his own home in Romania.
I say home but it was more like a mansion.
When he told me what the square meterage was it was roughly 4 of my brothers house......And gardens !
This was just the building.
Don't pay tax, set up limited companies, never in one place for too long or even in the country to get nailed by the taxman.
Monies all going back home.
This is the reality, this is why I have my opinion.
Obviously, other people have different experiences leading to different opinions.
I'm just fed up with the bullshit, I'm being forced to get rid of a perfectly good car and buy  an ULEZ compliant car when the technology is there to produce any type of fuel from the atmosphere which emits no pollutants.
It's all about money and control and if the Earth stopped spinning, I'd opt to get off. 

[nick crisp]

shall we leave it now fellers?
I think weve all had enough...

Sorry ogri, we'll all stop forcing you to look at this thread now  :lol


If you want me out of it, that's simple. MONEY!  :b

[ogri48]

:lol :lol :lol :lol
ive gone back to rowing with the old ball and chain, at least I get make up sex after that.,

[YamFazFan]

Well Arron Banks won't even tell us where the £8 million came from.

Have a little patience. The NCA investigation is ongoing. Don't know when they're expected to conclude, but until then we just don't know do we. I don't for sure.

[fazersharp]

Here is a prediction worth remembering.  :lol

 

If we are out of the EU within 2 years, or even close, I'll buy everybody a pint :-)

[nick crisp]

You can't answer a question with another question.

I did answer your question. I said I didn't attempt to predict the outcome of the EU referendum. Answered your question about why I didn't, too.

My question (still unanswered by anybody) is what do you think is going to happen next?

Oh, that question. No idea.


Right, now we've got that out of the way, why do you think Farage got his prediction (and therefore you got yours) wrong?

[YamFazFan]

Here is a prediction worth remembering.  :lol

  [quote author=mtread link=topic=20552.msg236978#msg236978 date=1468399580]If we are out of the EU within 2 years, or even close, I'll buy everybody a pint :-)

[/quote]
It looks like we're all going thirsty then :\ . To be fair that prediction wasn't inaccurate was it?.

[mtread]

If we are out of the EU within 2 years, or even close, I'll buy everybody a pint :-)

Blimey, did I say that?  How long did it take you to dig that one out
Well it depends what we mean by 'out'. Looking at the 26 pages of waffle May released this afternoon it could mean anything.


I mean, a pint. That's nearly an armful 

[fazersharp]

If we are out of the EU within 2 years, or even close, I'll buy everybody a pint :-)

Blimey, did I say that?  How long did it take you to dig that one out
Well it depends what we mean by 'out'. Looking at the 26 pages of waffle May released this afternoon it could mean anything.


I mean, a pint. That's nearly an armful 

FINE - I will have a waffle with my pint please

[fazersharp]

Blimey, did I say that?  [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/img] How long did it take you to dig that one out [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/img]

I came across it when I was looking for my earliest CORRECT prediction of the brexit result, which I did in Oct 2014. But your pint promise was in 2016 

[mtread]

July 2016 in fact, which is fortunately more than 2 years ago 

[YamFazFan]

But your pint promise was in 2016

Yes and 'within 2 years, or even close' has passed since then hasn't it?. So the prediction is accurate.

I'm still 'Leave' by the way, but I'm a stickler for these type of things :lol
...sorry 'within 2 years, or even close'. Same thing....well not the same thing...'within' isn't over is it :lol

...corrected the first sentance now, ignore the last correction :lol

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=24678.msg287680#msg287680 date=1542930612]
But your pint promise was in 2016

Yes and 'within 2 years, or even close' has passed since then hasn't it?. So the prediction is accurate.

I'm still 'Leave' by the way, but I'm a stickler for these type of things :lol
...sorry 'within 2 years, or even close'. Same thing....well not the same thing...'within' isn't over is it :lol

...corrected the first sentance now, ignore the last correction :lol

[/quote]So am I getting my pint or not  :crazy

[YamFazFan]

Didn't I make it clear?. The answers no :lol

[VNA]

Quote from: VNA on 20 November 2018, 06:19:08 PM<blockquote>
What I don’t see sense in is our wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.  What I don’t see sense in is funding Islamic fundamentalists around the world just as wee have done in Syria.  What I don’t see sense in is selling arms to sick Wahhabist nutters in Saudia Arbaia who not only use them to kill civilans in Yemen but happen to think nothing of murdering guests to their foreign consulates.

</blockquote>I don't think many will disagree with you there. But all of that happened when we were IN the EU. So by wanting to stay in the EU you are voting for more of the same. 

It was our parliament that voted to go into Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.  It is our government that arms murderous Wahhabist Saudi regeime.
You may remember the American phrase “Cheese eating surrender Monkeys”
Most EU countries had the good sense to stay well clear of our Iraq and other adventures. 

[VNA]

My brother and Dad have both bought properties in the Romanian mountains.

If there is a No Deal Brexit they may have a problem there.

I agree with Fazersharp, us leaving will unsettle the EU as other nations will follow suit.

It is far from clear at the moment that will be leaving, never mind any other country trying.

This is why(and it's so foccing obvious) that they are making it as difficult as possible for us to leave.

The main problem for BREXIT is the Irish border.  Their member EIRE is not surprisingly insisting that the Good Friday Agreement is respected.  The EU is simpy standing up for it’s members as surely you would expect it to.

I've seen groups of Eastern Europeans sleeping in a camper vans outside a building site.

I would agree that it has been a big mistake to allow succession countries full freedom of movement across the EU.  It was the UK’s choice not to restrict movement.
But I think we are also dealing with dodgy builders here.  Who is employing these people?  Are they following EU and UK employment laws.  I somewhat doubt it.

I'm being forced to get rid of a perfectly good car and buy  an ULEZ compliant car

ULEZ is local legislation.  It is not EU legislation.  I agree it’s targets those who can least afford to pay, but it is not EU policy.

when the technology is there to produce any type of fuel from the atmosphere which emits no pollutants.

I suspect you’d still need to buy a new motor.

[dazza]

I know full well the ULEZ is nothing to do with the EU VNA. I mentioned it as just another gripe I've got with today's hack offs.
As for buying a new motor to run this fuel. Not according to this man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_8DJF6Hp0


As for employers following employment law. Surely you're joking, aren't you?
These people are self employed, hence not paying their fair share of tax and contributions through outlawed unbrella companies and the likes.
There was a massive plasterboard factory opened up near me a few years ago....KNAUF I think it is.
Do you know that vacancies were advertised abroad both in Europe and Eastern Europe before they were available in our local job centre.
How the fuck is this right ?
As for my Dad and Brother. What they going to do, take away their homes, refuse them entry and move the bulldozers in ?
:rollin :rollin
This brings me back to my clip of the ITalian job.....WE can all play that game and to be honest if you honestly believe that'll happen you really have no business calling us Brexiteers gullible.

[VNA]

Not come across that before Carbon Engineering fuel before Dazza.
It does sound interesting.
Though it takes a lot of energy to produce – electricity.
And when he talks of carbon storage – I’m far from convinced CO2 storage could ever work.  Though that's an optional extra.

There’s an article here - https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/sc...e-air.aspx
It’s certainly interesting. 



One thing is for sure we are fast running out of time to stop climate change.