BREXIT

[mtread]

O no, I've caught some horrible [brackets] disease off YamFazFan  :eek

[YamFazFan]

:rollin

O no, I've caught some horrible [brackets] disease off YamFazFan  :eek

:rollin :rollin


I'll administer a metaphorical punch up the bracket to myself :lol

[mtread]

Please, no punch ups on municipal property 

[nick crisp]

I didn't attempt to make a prediction.

Because?

I suppose because I didn't think I knew who would win.

Btw, I don't much care for him either.

Seems I've got more in common with you :eek

It's possible 


However:

Whereas you are not answering my question at all 

i.e why do you think Farage (and therefore yourself) predicted the outcome of the EU referendum incorrectly?

[YamFazFan]

Please, no punch ups on municipal property 

:lol

[VNA]

mtread, did you predict the result of the EU referendum correctly? A simple yes or no will do.

Can I answer this one too?  Please?   Can I go back to 2014?   Remember the 2014 referendum.


I stayed up all night for the 2014 one.  Sure I wanted a YES result, and everybody around me thought it was in the bag but I knew it was very unlikely.  And yup early on during the night the clues started coming that all was not well.  I figured anything above 40% was a result, a victory in fact and something to take forwards.  So whilst I was disappointed, and surrounded by folks who appeared to want to top themselves, I was also pleasantly surprised by 45%, almost half the country felt the way I did.  I still think it was a stunning result.  Was a strange night.


2016?  The polls said it was safe.  But I have to say I had a bad feeling in the closing days of the campaign.  Didn’t stay up.  But I do remember again having that bad feeling as I stood in the kitchen in front of the radio, pausing, slightly scared to turn it on.  Then foc foc foc foc foc!


At least there was something positive to take from 2014. 



If the current situation is not resolved, and Scotland does not maintain continued single market access, the Scottish parliament has the justification to hold a second Indy referendum.  There is a potential majority in the parliament to do this, with or without Westminster’s permission.


But which is more import.  Binning BREXIT and continued full EU membership comes before Independence.  I do not want to see the UK economy trashed. 

[fazersharp]

mtread, did you predict the result of the EU referendum correctly? A simple yes or no will do.

Can I answer this one too?  Please?   Can I go back to 2014?   Remember the 2014 referendum.


I stayed up all night for the 2014 one.  Sure I wanted a YES result, and everybody around me thought it was in the bag but I knew it was very unlikely.  And yup early on during the night the clues started coming that all was not well.  I figured anything above 40% was a result, a victory in fact and something to take forwards.  So whilst I was disappointed, and surrounded by folks who appeared to want to top themselves, I was also pleasantly surprised by 45%, almost half the country felt the way I did.  I still think it was a stunning result.  Was a strange night.


2016?  The polls said it was safe.  But I have to say I had a bad feeling in the closing days of the campaign.  Didn’t stay up.  But I do remember again having that bad feeling as I stood in the kitchen in front of the radio, pausing, slightly scared to turn it on.  Then foc foc foc foc foc!

Its all well and good predicting things on the night whilst watching the results come in, but I correctly predicted the EU vote result 2 years before it actually happened. And even before a vote was even announced.

[dazza]

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[VNA]

Its all well and good predicting things on the night whilst watching the results come in, but I correctly predicted the EU vote result 2 years before it actually happened. And even before a vote was even announced.

Well OK, 2014, I knew from the start it was very unlikely.  I did not expect a win.  Like I say, to me, 45% felt like something of a victory, a well earnt result.


2016.  It should have been OK.  But I always had a bad feeling.  If you like, my brain was telling me that there was nothing to worry about, but I had this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach

Calling it on the night before the first results come in is what counts.  Campaigns are hugely important. 



Some polls had us down at 25% in 2014.  Some in Better Together couldn't wait to get out there and start their campaign - they talked of ‘mopping up the wounded’ and consigning talk of Scottish Independence to history.  With 4 weeks to go they were shitting themselves and almost lost it.


2016, and the mainstream political players ran a similar campaign to what they ran in 2014 in Scotland.  Fear, fear, fear and more fear. They had learned nothing from 2014, and this time they lost it.


The two things that really bothered me about 2016 was the shit REMAIN campaign.  A crap campaign whilst LEAVE was left to peddle their fantasy.  At least a fantasy is positive.  That and Corbyn’s 7/10 = I mean for Focs sake. 



So you can guess 2 years out, but you can’t call it.  So yeah your guess was correct Fazersharp.

[ogri48]

that'll be the "shit" remain campaign the gov spent millions on of our money to send a leaflet to every house to tell us to stay then mate 

[VNA]

that'll be the "shit" remain campaign the gov spent millions on of our money to send a leaflet to every house to tell us to stay then mate  [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/img]

Yup. :'(

[ogri48]

I honestly think that helped the "leave" vote mate, as most of us don't like being told what to do by politicians (or indeed pop stars and American presidents)

[VNA]

I honestly think that helped the "leave" vote mate, as most of us don't like being told what to do by politicians (or indeed pop stars and American presidents)

Precisely.  Absolutely totally agree.  Make your campaign positive, and don’t tell people what to do.


I still personally feel there are questions to be answered in relation to the LEAVE campaign.  The definition of a lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive.  An intentional untruth.  Their whole camapign was a lie.


But aside from that this was a campaign, on the part of REMAIN, that they should not have lost.  And they didn’t loose it, they just fucking threw it away. 



At this point I feel the need to go back over to “What Gets My Goat!”      AAAAAAAAAAAGH.


Still seriously, it might not happen, and it may even be almost impossible.

[mtread]

that'll be the "shit" remain campaign the gov spent millions on of our money to send a leaflet to every house to tell us to stay then mate 

Unlike one of the Leave campaigns, which illegally spent money of course

[ogri48]

tbh it wasn't tax payers money, so hey ho. I didn't pay income tax for Cameron to spend it on a campaign I didn't want or ask for. That put a lot o peoples (mine included) backs up straightaway. if they had spent it on a balanced argument, perhaps they wouldn't have lost

[mtread]

Whereas you are not answering my question at all 



i.e why do you think Farage (and therefore yourself) predicted the outcome of the EU referendum incorrectly?

You can't answer a question with another question.
My question (still unanswered by anybody) is what do you think is going to happen next?

[mtread]

tbh it wasn't tax payers money, so hey ho.

Well Arron Banks won't even tell us where the £8 million came from. Strong suggestion is that it came from the Russian Government. Which is of course illegal. But that's OK then?

[ogri48]

im not one for condemning on "strong suggestions". So, yes

[mtread]

At this point I feel the need to go back over to “What Gets My Goat!”      AAAAAAAAAAAGH.

Me too. I'm getting bored with this.
As the Big Yin says 'there'll never be peace, while they're still pissing in our Bovril, and we're still shitting in their shoes'

[fazersharp]

Whereas you are not answering my question at all 



i.e why do you think Farage (and therefore yourself) predicted the outcome of the EU referendum incorrectly?

You can't answer a question with another question.
My question (still unanswered by anybody) is what do you think is going to happen next?

Italeave and Czech-out will happen next