When you say old bike gear, is this stuff you bought on impulse before and never used?? :lol
I know exactly what that feels like Paul.
I've got soooo many things that were "must haves" at the time but I never used afterwards.
We'll have to keep an eye on each other mate and make sure we don't do anything stupid & expensive :rollin
Take a deep breath, coz it all starts now, when you pull the foccin' pin
just keep me away from that frigging triumph stand bud...ooh that new 1200 scramblers nice. but 6-7 times the cost of me fazer!?!?! I dont think so, id rather have half a dozen thou's in the garage..
sorry, this is not Brexit arguing, I do apologise.
as you were..
(02-11-18, 07:48 PM)ogri48 link Wrote: you gotta love the left. Diane abbot can say stuff like "white mothers aren't as good as black mothers". Jeremy Corbyn can make every jew in Britain be afraid of labour getting into power. and yet those of us who voted for Brexit for whatever our own personal reasons (mine was I hate bullies) are the racists..
The mystery to me is how the left ever assumed the moral high ground on such issues.
They're the most intolerant lot there is!.
Quote: I think ogri started a "gets my goat" thread asking why mps didn't get on with getting the best deal with Brexit, as opposed to actually starting a Brexit debate.
And in reply I explained why they can't 'just get on with it' and then it all kicked off :eek
Quote: [size=0.85em]that it is dave! Im flogging loads of bike gear on ebay to fund our Show day purchases btw lol..[/size][/size][size=0.85em]
Hang on a minute. Off topic! :hijack Go and get your own shopping thread :lol
lol sorry dude, my bad.. 
(02-11-18, 07:07 PM)VNA link Wrote: Oh, as a parting shot on BREXIT
So steve10562cc went to all the trouble of custom making a thread for you for ONE post! :rolleyes
:lol
The trouble with Brexiteers is that they won't say what they want. Like a small child at the seaside crying because they don't want an ice cream. Remainers like VNA and myself come up with solutions out of the current mess, but Brexiteers just go on and on with the 'we won' chorus, without saying what they want to happen now. They are very good at knocking things down, but useless at building things up.
So come on, what's your solutions for where we are now? Soft Brexit or hard Brexit? What should our future trading relationship be with the EU? What should happen about the land boundary in Ireland? Let's hear some positive suggestions for a change?
Sometimes I feel sorry for Theresa....
(03-11-18, 10:59 AM)mtread link Wrote: Like a small child at the seaside crying because they don't want an ice cream. That's more often than not bacause they want one and get told they can't have it.
A bit like the Remainers and a second referendum/People's Vote :lol
A remainer saying the leavers are crying like petulant children!?!? I mean, seriously mate?
(03-11-18, 10:59 AM)mtread link Wrote: The trouble with Brexiteers is that they won't say what they want. I'll have a go  ....I don't want the unelected Junckers and the other unelected commisioners proposing the legislation that eventually ends up becoming law in this country.
(03-11-18, 10:59 AM)mtread link Wrote: The trouble with Brexiteers is that they won't say what they want. Like a small child at the seaside crying because they don't want an ice cream. Remainers like VNA and myself come up with solutions out of the current mess, but Brexiteers just go on and on with the 'we won' chorus, without saying what they want to happen now. They are very good at knocking things down, but useless at building things up.
So come on, what's your solutions for where we are now? Soft Brexit or hard Brexit? What should our future trading relationship be with the EU? What should happen about the land boundary in Ireland? Let's hear some positive suggestions for a change?
Sometimes I feel sorry for Theresa....
I could equally turn that around and ask what kind of Europe do Remainers want to be a part of? Were you, for example, happy with the deal Cameron came back with just before the referendum? Or did you think he didn't need to strike any new kind of deal? Do you think everything the EU does is just fine by you? VNA doesn't think it would ever move towards a Super State scenario. And yet to many people, that is exactly where it seems to be heading. Maybe that's a good thing? Maybe there should be no separate countries in the EU anymore? Wouldn't that erode the individual character of each one though? Or is that ok too?
And were Remainers happy with the way the immigrant 'crisis' was handled? Just shooing in all and sundry, economic as well as refugee status? With hardly any checks on background? Was that wise, given the kind of countries they were coming from and the current state of affairs with Islamic extremism? Or perhaps you think there were too many to realistically do background checks on, and anyway, what could we have found out about them all individually? So is that an excuse to just let them all in? Sort it out afterwards? Do you think the member states of the EU prepared themselves sufficiently for it? Was there enough consultation on how it should be handled? Should the people of Europe have been asked what they thought? Does the EU give enough support to the countries on the 'front line'? Greece, Italy? Is it right to punish those countries who close their borders to the flood? By what right?
Tbh, I'm not fully in either camp. But that's another problem with the EU. In many ways, it is not flexible enough towards its members. And this is why some perceive that its future is as a Super State. With such attitudes, how could it be otherwise?
What do Brexiteers want? They want what anybody else wants, but they want the decisions about their future to be made closer to home than the shady dealings of Brussels, which they are told very little about. Maybe that would have been enough - to have been kept better informed. The EU says the British didn't understand what they are about. Perhaps they should have taken the time to explain it to us more clearly, or at all even, which they still haven't done. What is their end goal, in a project that is clearly still evolving? What is their plan?
But they also want their government to listen to them, to help them. At least here in the UK they can have some influence on that at election times, but they can't influence EU decisions in that way. It's hard enough for UK regions to get themselves heard at home. Even remoter government can only make that harder still. Do you think all the tendencies towards nationalism are just whimsical, occurring out of boredom? To ignore them, to ignore the issues which give rise to them, to vilify them in a knee jerk reaction, is dangerous.
But Brexit can't be seen in isolation either. It's not just Europe that is changing, but the world. Technology and communication drive things on ever faster, but people don't evolve at the same rate - can't.
They want a check on the corporate capitalism that is widening the gulf between rich and poor. The EU seems to them to exacerbate the problem, rather than address it. Oh, there have been some signs recently that they've been prepared to tinker around the edges of this. But too little, too late. Maybe they'll get to a point later where people will be happier. But if they'd listened to their people sooner, perhaps Brexit wouldn't have happened. If nothing else, it was intended as a wake-up call to the faceless politicians 'over there'. And still they show few signs of having listened. Politicians. Self-righteous, self-serving pricks. Don't blame me if I turn my back on them!
Oooh, I feel better for that :lol
That's a good post. Whatever side of the debate you're on it's worth reading to the end.
"Side? I am on nobody's side, because no one is on my side."
But nobody has answered any of my questions...... Which is what I expected :lol :lol
As to decisions being made closer to home. Yes absolutely, but give them a clue as to what the answers are.
(03-11-18, 01:36 PM)mtread link Wrote: But nobody has answered any of my questions...... Which is what I expected :lol :lol
Because the questions are too limiting in their scope. Likewise, you haven't answered mine, which I also expected  Besides which, I was under the impression that you Remainers think you have all the answers.
Quote:As to decisions being made closer to home. Yes absolutely, but give them a clue as to what the answers are.
Go on then, I'm listening...
v. good post Nick. I think that eloquently expresses what a lot of us are thinking. And personally, im not answering the question because I don't feel I have justify my decisions (in any respect, not just to do with Brexit) any more than I would ask you too justify yours mate. I'm a bricklayer, not a politician. But that doesn't mean I don't get a vote, or the right to cast it however I wish. If i'm wrong, and it all goes terribly pear, then i'll be proved wrong. That's life, and thats democracy. I respect your views, they are simply not the same as mine.
I honestly think too that if they did have a second referendum, the vote for leave would be even bigger. The way the jumped up eurocrats dealing with Brexit have treated us as a country and people these last two years have left most in no doubt as to the future if we stay in the eu. And most people in this country, particularly my generation, would rather die on our feet that live on our knees.
I'm not a politician, like VNA and mtread. I don't have the answers. I only see the problems. But those who claim to know better should be providing us with the answers, or else shut up and leave room for those that can.
Brexit is merely a symptom. Discussions about the Irish border, customs unions etc are only details in what should be a much wider discussion. Perhaps the EU referendum came too early. These discussions should have been had first, but not just here in the UK, nor even just in the EU. Oh, my head, it's all so big, just too big! :lol
I should probably explain, that whilst I am in neither camp completely, my sympathies at present lie more with those that voted for Brexit.
lol that bit was directed at mttread. my writing skills aint all that :lol :lol :lol good job im not trying to do it for a living ….
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(02-11-18, 07:44 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: I'd have thought house prices falling by 10% was a good thing!.
Makes them more affordable for first time buyers and doesn't affect those who already own because everyone else's drops too.
Bring it on I say.
Haha, I've heard that said a before. It makes me laugh because it defies logic. Think it through... The economic downturn will mean people are worse of with less access to credit. The result being people have less opportunity to buy houses and the prices fall.. (Cause and effect)... and you're saying it will help people to buy houses, the people that are now worse off with no access to credit.
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To coin a phrase, "Brexit means dogsh*t".
I was told on Thursday I am being made redundant as a direct result of the economic contraction anticipated as a result of Brexit.
Our currency crashing makes the international company I work for less profitable for investers. The slowing of the UK economy also.
Oh well look on the brightside...?!
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