(21-12-17, 12:17 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=23573.msg272706#msg272706 date=1513811463]
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You lot obviously live in a different world.
In my area you fight your way to the front of the half mile traffic and plonk yourself in front of the lead car at the lights.
Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Well said.
That's the reality of how it is most of the time in these situations.
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Also, if you stop at the white line, or before the cycle area, 5 other scooters will jump in front of you :lol
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Fixed that for you 
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
(20-12-17, 11:51 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=windyg link=topic=23573.msg272645#msg272645 date=1513765966]
My understanding is the driver would be breaking the law going across the white line against a red traffic light unless instructed to do so by a uniformed police officer / traffic warden.
Having said that if it was safe then I would probably cross the white line to let a vehicle through on Blues and Twos What about ones that are covered by a camera
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I have done and would still do in both car and on bike using cautiously and safely. any camera's would pick up the emergency vehicle crossing as well so I'd have my reason to appeal any fine
Women have chocolate men have bikes.....
including ones who like chocolate.... 
If it were inevitable that I was going to receive a fine then they can wait.
Surely they wouldn't want you to cross a red light if it's illegal.
Blue light drivers are trained to not intimiadate car drivers into breaking the law in order for them to get through, as for the public, well they can intimidate all they like :lol
Blue light drivers aren't allowed to drive through a red light and expect everyone to just stop or move out of their way, I think the wording is; they can treat a red light as a give way.
Isn't it a shame in today's society where we are questioning if we would move out the way for an emergency vehicle due to scameras. It would be interesting to see how many times people do get a fine for this and if they are successful in appeal. Surely common sense over coffers should prevail as long as it's safe to do so and you don't leave yourself stranded in the middle of the junction causing an obstruction, or keep going and properly jump the light.
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it buys beer, and that helps!
(21-12-17, 07:51 AM)HarryHornby link Wrote: Surely common sense over coffers should prevail
Not when there's yet another opportunity to relieve the general public of their hard earned and remind us whose boss it doesn't.
(20-12-17, 11:59 PM)darrsi link Wrote: Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Only where they can Darrsi. In some places round here the traffic lights are on dual carriageways that have a central barrier preventing them from doing this. Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
(21-12-17, 09:56 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
Is that the Luton busway?.
We've got one in Cambridge. It went massively over budget and behind schedule.
The County council and the contractor are still wrangling over it years later.
Cars regularly get stuck in the traps that are designed to stop them driving up it.
(21-12-17, 10:35 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=23573.msg272721#msg272721 date=1513846596]
Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
Is that the Luton busway?.
We've got one in Cambridge. It went massively over budget and behind schedule.
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No, Crawley Fastway ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastway_(b...d_transit))
Same thing though, massively over budget and behind schedule. Has kerbs for about 200m and then a normal bus lane. Means all the normal busses have to pull out into the traffic and back into the bus lane again afterwards. Complete farce.
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
(21-12-17, 07:41 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: If it were inevitable that I was going to receive a fine then they can wait.
Surely they wouldn't want you to cross a red light if it's illegal.
You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
Just happened down here in Pompy all cars moved out the way & front car went over white line, as you say it may be me in the back one day!!
having said that I was taught to leave enough space in front to be able to manoeuvre around the car in front in. still drive like that , we called it Northern Ireland Driving technique!! lol
It ain't what you ride, it's who you ride with!!!
(21-12-17, 01:43 AM)midden link Wrote: I have done and would still do in both car and on bike using cautiously and safely. any camera's would pick up the emergency vehicle crossing as well so I'd have my reason to appeal any fine
I think that the cameras take two pictures 1/2 second apart and the second picture will show that you were moving so by the time the blues get to your position you have had your picture and the bill is already in the post.
I would move over the line every time so long as there was no camera.
I always thought that traffic lights had a sensor on them that sees the blues and changes the light to green - or is that an urban myth.
The issue with going over the line is that when there is a que of traffic there is enough room to pull over but they cant because of the gap infront is not big enough so the one at the frount needs to move up a bit and over the line to give everyone else room to move over.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(21-12-17, 11:16 AM)Robbie8666 link Wrote: having said that I was taught to leave enough space in front to be able to manoeuvre around the car in front in. still drive like that , we called it Northern Ireland Driving technique!! lol Yes very easy on a bike but not so easy in a car and if everyone did that 1/2 mile of traffic would be 2 miles
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
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(21-12-17, 10:45 AM)His Dudeness link Wrote: You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
Then they should alter the law so that there's no chance of people receiving a fine for doing the right thing.
If my reward for doing a good turn is a fine and/or points, I ain't shifting I'm afraid.
One point that hasn't been mentioned is the high possibility of the car driver, who lets remember isn't trained in safely crossing a red light such as the emergency services are, actually CAUSING an additional emergency situation by coliding with another vehicle.
It's an illegal manoeuvre.
(21-12-17, 11:48 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=His Dudeness link=topic=23573.msg272725#msg272725 date=1513849539]
You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
Then they should alter the law so that there's no chance of people receiving a fine for doing the right thing.
If my reward for doing a good turn is a fine and/or points, I ain't shifting I'm afraid.
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They should alter the law but that doesn't make sitting there right. Hopefully your decision doesn't cost someone their life. If you got pictured going through a red for moving there would most likely be a picture of the ambulance going through the same red a few moments later so it wouldn't take the world's greatest lawyer to appeal the ticket
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They should alter the law but that doesn't make sitting there right. Hopefully your decision doesn't cost someone their life. If you got pictured going through a red for moving there would most likely be a picture of the ambulance going through the same red a few moments later so it wouldn't take the world's greatest lawyer to appeal the ticket
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Sitting there is right in the eyes of the law though. They clearly haven't been swayed enough by the morality of the issue to alter it have they. I wish they had.
You can only speculate on the nature of the emergency they are travelling to.
I'd be gutted if I found out later on that they'd gone to the aid of a burgler, or such like, stuck on the remains of someone's window he's just smashed and I'd copped a fine for that trash.
I'd definitely want a refund then.
Sorry Dudeness, messed the quote bit up there and my post has appeared inside yours.
Well if you were in trouble YamFazFan I'd move out of the way and take the ticket and let help get to you. Hopefully you'd do the same for me or anyone else. It's as simple as that.
Obviously I'm always giving way and pulling over for emergency vehicles and if i knew there would be no punishment for doing so I expect I'd nip over the white line to help them on their way.
But I'm not paying for the privilege of helping them out.
Naturally Fazer owners are a special case!?.
How far ahead does the camera detect a 'pass'? Is it not possible to move enough ahead without triggering the camera?
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