(17-05-17, 10:55 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=22591.msg260728#msg260728 date=1495015087]
Why not just throw old Noah into the mix, who supposedly died aged 950. :eek
If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous then it may actually be laughable.
But if it was written in a book then it must be true. :rollin :rollin :rollin
Oh Darrsi!,
The hat of arrogance fits you so well and I feel the style also suits you.
I was, and am, talking about recorded history not just in a religious book (Which you seem to believe is a book of Fairy Stories) but also in secular history books and documents. Some of the records talk about how he was despised, these people were not his friends and some spoke harshly about him, why would they do that if he did not exist.
Noah I know very little about, you seem to know more about him than I do, I did not know he allegedly lived to 950 years of age, now that does seem unbelievable as most die from heart disease or cancer or some other equally vile cause in this modern world. (note I said does seem unbelievable)
We should all be willing to be more open minded and not jump to conclusions or desissions about things that don't sit comfortably with us, just because you choose not to believe something does not make it untrue.
I have met a couple of guys in my life time that utterly refused to believe their wife was being unfaithful to them, because it was uncomfortable and painful so it was easier to deny it, but I'm afraid denial does not change fact.
You know I still think the world is flat and if I ride my Fazer all day and night long I will fall off the edge, because I don't believe what someone once said.
You would OK though Darrsi because you would probably not be able to get yours started, so you would not fall off the edge, but we would all certainly hear the backfiring.
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Are you still talking about him? (yaaaawn)
People "documented" as living for over 900 years old does tend to stick in my mind, mainly because it's complete and utter fabricated bullshit, and not physically possible due to a mountainous list of reasons, which if you can't comprehend then that's not my problem.
You carry on and read your book fella, it's not affecting my daily life whatsoever. I'm only 750 years young, wait 'til i'm older though and i'll prove it was all nonsense. :rollin
ps: the bike starts and runs just fine.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Rehab is fine if you catch them young or its a first offence. Too often we see habitual criminals on the tv where they have done community service, had fines, had probation and several jail terms and still have fresh offence lists as long as your arm to be "taken into consideration" when they appear in court where they are then told "don't do it again, pay us £10p per week and fec off out of my court". That's not a deterrent, that's just paying 10p per week for the huge amount of crack they bought by selling our stolen stuff. Prison doesn't work on these people. Removal of hands might teach them though.
More serious offenders like armed robbers, yes prison. A stint in there may teach them to straighten up their ways. after that.....
The most serious offenders, like Brady, who knew what they were doing and we have evidence to prove it, are beyond rehabilitation. Death penalty here.
(18-05-17, 07:02 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=22591.msg260778#msg260778 date=1495058108]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=22591.msg260728#msg260728 date=1495015087]
Why not just throw old Noah into the mix, who supposedly died aged 950. :eek
If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous then it may actually be laughable.
But if it was written in a book then it must be true. :rollin :rollin :rollin
Oh Darrsi!,
The hat of arrogance fits you so well and I feel the style also suits you.
I was, and am, talking about recorded history not just in a religious book (Which you seem to believe is a book of Fairy Stories) but also in secular history books and documents. Some of the records talk about how he was despised, these people were not his friends and some spoke harshly about him, why would they do that if he did not exist.
Noah I know very little about, you seem to know more about him than I do, I did not know he allegedly lived to 950 years of age, now that does seem unbelievable as most die from heart disease or cancer or some other equally vile cause in this modern world. (note I said does seem unbelievable)
We should all be willing to be more open minded and not jump to conclusions or desissions about things that don't sit comfortably with us, just because you choose not to believe something does not make it untrue.
I have met a couple of guys in my life time that utterly refused to believe their wife was being unfaithful to them, because it was uncomfortable and painful so it was easier to deny it, but I'm afraid denial does not change fact.
You know I still think the world is flat and if I ride my Fazer all day and night long I will fall off the edge, because I don't believe what someone once said.
You would OK though Darrsi because you would probably not be able to get yours started, so you would not fall off the edge, but we would all certainly hear the backfiring.
:finger
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Are you still talking about him? (yaaaawn)
People "documented" as living for over 900 years old does tend to stick in my mind, mainly because it's complete and utter fabricated bullshit, and not physically possible due to a mountainous list of reasons, which if you can't comprehend then that's not my problem.
You carry on and read your book fella, it's not affecting my daily life whatsoever. I'm only 750 years young, wait 'til i'm older though and i'll prove it was all nonsense. :rollin
ps: the bike starts and runs just fine.
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Well I'm pleased your bike is running well now, ride safe because you don't want to end your 750 year reign of life just yet.
18-05-17, 10:12 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-17, 10:12 AM by fazersharp.)
If you read your bible you will know that it was the norm to live for 100s of years, some confuse the flood with the notion that god after the flood then restricted mans lifespan to 120 years, which is not correct the 120 years was how much longer god was willing to put up with the evil corrupt ways of man and breeding with the fallen before he would bring the flood upon the earth.
Noah was 500 when he was given the heads up by god
I consider myself agnostic by the way, but I have read a lot of the bible and intend to read all the religions books at some stage. But I dont ride my bike enough as it is.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
18-05-17, 11:24 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-17, 11:25 AM by fazersharp.)
(18-05-17, 10:50 AM)VNA link Wrote: That's when I realised I was an atheist.
Pet hate is Jehova's Winess types knocking on my door;
Me - Goodday but no thanks I'm an atheist.
God's cold caller - You know I used to be like that too.
Me - no you didn't. Goodbye.
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I have got myself on the Jo-hos black list of "do not call" after a very long debate with them on religious issues I wouldnt let them go (good reason to avail yourself of the bible) oh and aliens I think is what swung it for me.
I found out when I asked them once why they dont call anymore when I was out in front of my house and they were passing and was told that my house has been put on a "No Call" list :rollin
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
18-05-17, 11:27 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-17, 12:08 PM by tommyardin.)
[size=1em]Me, just like Sharpie, open minded and interested in all sorts of history, and the history of the Bible is interesting. It has shaped and moulded many nations and some were so convinced of its truth that they lived their lives under it's authority. A life of selfless sacrifice serving others. Now it might not be your cup of tea, but many have benefited from their sacrifice.[/size]
[size=1em]The likes of Lord Shaftesbury (Anthony Ashley Cooper[color=rgb(84, 84, 84)]) [/color]and Dr Bernardo were Christians and did amazing things with their wealth to help others because they were convinced of the truth that they read in the Scriptures.[/size]
[size=1em]It also is/was the way this country was governed and shaped for many years, its apart of our roots and heritage. Again I'm not saying it was all good and that people sometimes got it wrong with decisions made, but overall this country was a better place to live for most people because of our Christian routes. Aged parents lived with their families and were looked after by their children, now days we put them in a home were people who often don't even have the same language look after them/keep them quiet, they are often lonely and sad and they live out their last few years in isolation. To be honest I'm hoping for better things. [/size]
[size=1em]Who knows I might even go and live with Darrsi and his family he seems to be going on for a long time as he is 750 years old already, what the chance Darrsi lol! [/size] :thumbup
My wife also rang up the local Jehovah Witnesses offices and asked them not to call anymore as we had many conversations with then over a few years, what seemed to happen was if a couple who came to the door did not make any headway with us after a few months they would stop coming and another couple would appear and we would start the whole process again.
Now I am not a Jehovah Witness, but, I do admired their commitment to their organisation, someone once said to me that they do what they do out of fear, apparently they believe that only a certain number of people will enter heaven when they die, and, the passport to entering is by getting as many converts to J/W as possible, but the trouble is they will never know if they have done enough until maybe it's to late.
I understand it is called a Salvation of works, trying to earn favour from God, the Bible say that it is a Gift of God, not something that is earned or merited in any way, but like any gift it has to be accepted. ???????
I did not really understand that principle and have been told it is like someone writing out a cheque or bank draft (10 Million pounds) filling in all the details and writing your name as the recipient at the top, the cheque is in your name the money is yours but you have to hold out your hand and take hold of it before it can be banked, I found this explanation very helpful.
The upshot of this is that we do not have the Jehovah Witnesses call anymore, in some ways I'm sorry about it as I quite enjoyed the chats, but it was very, very time consuming and not always at a convenient time.
What happened to Brady in this post he seems to be slowly disappearing, from where I am now in the write a comment section of FOC-U I can not see who started this post but would like to thank them for doing so as it has certainly opened up a bit of discussion about life the world and everything in it, so cheers Author :thumbup
18-05-17, 12:30 PM (This post was last modified: 18-05-17, 12:31 PM by VNA.)
Quote:The likes of Lord Shaftesbury (Anthony Ashley Cooper) and Dr Bernardo were Christians and did amazing things with their wealth to help others because they were convinced of the truth that they read in the Scriptures.
That makes a rather large assumption. It’s highly likely religion or no religion that they would have done what they did because of who they were not due whatever religion they followed. Morals and altruism are absolutely in no way whatsoever exclusive to religion. And there's plenty of down right nasty religous nutters out there.
Quote:It also is/was the way this country was governed and shaped for many years, its apart of our routes and heritage. Again I'm not saying it was all good and that people sometimes got it wrong with decisions made, but overall this country was a better place to live for most people because of our Christian routes.
Indeed, just a few hundred years ago the churches executed individuals for blasphemy. Atheists were routinely executed by the churches. Then there are the crusades – the least said about that the better eh? So yes our country is indeed founded on the evil deeds of religion. It’s now 2017 and only now are some of the churches in the UK coming to grips with the fact that some people are – wait for it – gay! – up till now most churches have promoted discrimination against gay people.
Quote:Aged parents lived with their families and were looked after by their children, now days we put them in a home were people who often don't even have the same language look after them/keep them quiet, they are often lonely and sad and they live out their last few years in isolation.
Having just spend years looking out for and looking after my parents, I can tell you there often comes a time when there is no other option to look at care home options. Particularly with dementia you will more than likely get to a point where it either simply not possible or frankly downright cruel to try and keep your parent or parents at home. I find your views on care of the elderly ignorant and breathtakingly simplistic.
Quote:What happened to Brady in this post he seems to be slowly disappearing, from where I am now in the write a comment section of FOC-U I can not see who started this post but would like to thank them for doing so as it has certainly opened up a bit of discussion about life the world and everything in it, so cheers Author [img alt=:thumbup width=23 height=18]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/garet/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/img]
I think perhaps what you have done is hijacked a thread in order to promote your own little pet subject ie that little voice in your head called God.
Well I for one would gladly rather discuss Fairy tales (or religion as some call it) than talk about a child murdering fuck wit. Quite frankly the sooner he's forgotten about the better
(18-05-17, 10:12 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: I consider myself agnostic by the way,
Ricky Gervais hits the nail on the head when it comes to Agnostics.... he says "if your agnostic about the existence of God then you must also have the same view of Santa Clause" There isn't an argument for existence that can be made for one of them and not the other :-)
It's also makes a brilliant point about Christians in general saying " I'm and atheist, I don't believe in any of the say 2700 different Gods out there, Christians don't believe in 2699 of them either so they're almost as atheist as me"
Say what ya want about his acting but you cant fault the man's intelligence and logic
Ha ha ha! one of my favourite films, in fact one of the funniest films I have ever seen. Blessed are the Cheese Makers, did he say blessed are the Greek.
OK ok! I am the Messiah now FUCK OFF. LOL! Sooo funny.
Quote:The likes of Lord Shaftesbury (Anthony Ashley Cooper) and Dr Bernardo were Christians and did amazing things with their wealth to help others because they were convinced of the truth that they read in the Scriptures.
That makes a rather large assumption. It’s highly likely religion or no religion that they would have done what they did because of who they were not due whatever religion they followed. Morals and altruism are absolutely in no way whatsoever exclusive to religion. And there's plenty of down right nasty religous nutters out there.
Quote:It also is/was the way this country was governed and shaped for many years, its apart of our routes and heritage. Again I'm not saying it was all good and that people sometimes got it wrong with decisions made, but overall this country was a better place to live for most people because of our Christian routes.
Indeed, just a few hundred years ago the churches executed individuals for blasphemy. Atheists were routinely executed by the churches. Then there are the crusades – the least said about that the better eh? So yes our country is indeed founded on the evil deeds of religion. It’s now 2017 and only now are some of the churches in the UK coming to grips with the fact that some people are – wait for it – gay! – up till now most churches have promoted discrimination against gay people.
Quote:Aged parents lived with their families and were looked after by their children, now days we put them in a home were people who often don't even have the same language look after them/keep them quiet, they are often lonely and sad and they live out their last few years in isolation.
Having just spend years looking out for and looking after my parents, I can tell you there often comes a time when there is no other option to look at care home options. Particularly with dementia you will more than likely get to a point where it either simply not possible or frankly downright cruel to try and keep your parent or parents at home. I find your views on care of the elderly ignorant and breathtakingly simplistic.
Quote:What happened to Brady in this post he seems to be slowly disappearing, from where I am now in the write a comment section of FOC-U I can not see who started this post but would like to thank them for doing so as it has certainly opened up a bit of discussion about life the world and everything in it, so cheers Author [img alt=:thumbup width=23 height=18]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/garet/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/img]
I think perhaps what you have done is hijacked a thread in order to promote your own little pet subject ie that little voice in your head called God.
Don't you just love it when people debate with passion
