Chinese Brake and Clutch levers

[Kenbob]

[quote author=Kenbob link=topic=22266.msg257474#msg257474 date=1491290108]
For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you,  mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.

No it isn't. I was inferring from the start that it is likely that the first time you find shorty levers don't suit you is when you practice an emergency stop - and i should have gone on to say a stop that takes effort, say from 100mph. I think most would agree that four fingers is best from that sort of speed.
I was only trying to contribute constructive discussion, not invite facicious comment.
Your first reaction to points you disagree with is to take it personally. Please try not to.
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Sorry I found your comment quite funny and in some way your last comment too, how can you say that people will find  shorty levers unsuitable when they have to practice emergency stops, you do know that shorty levers are used on race bikes and on track almost all bends are an emergency stop of some degree.
Shorty levers are adjustable for span too so you can either have a long stretch or short stretch to the lever.
When I fitted mine it was instant comfort compared to the standard levers and also with that comfort comes a degree of extra confidence that I can get to the lever quicker, I hate having my hand outstretched to grab a brake or clutch lever.
I take your point that an emergency stop in not the best time to find out that your brake lever is at the bar but to be honest I don't think that would be a lever problem more a spongy brake problem which should've been sorted before the bike went near a road.
My apologies to you if I offended you but to be honest some of your comments are quite humorous, I myself use two finger braking for general riding but 3 fingers for extra pressure when  close to shitting myself.
At the end of the day it's what people are comfortable with and with using.
My apologies again, no offence meant.

[Simon.Pieman]

[quote author=Simon.Pieman link=topic=22266.msg257545#msg257545 date=1491381516]
[quote author=Kenbob link=topic=22266.msg257474#msg257474 date=1491290108]
For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you,  mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.

No it isn't. I was inferring from the start that it is likely that the first time you find shorty levers don't suit you is when you practice an emergency stop - and i should have gone on to say a stop that takes effort, say from 100mph. I think most would agree that four fingers is best from that sort of speed.
I was only trying to contribute constructive discussion, not invite facicious comment.
Your first reaction to points you disagree with is to take it personally. Please try not to.
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Sorry I found your comment quite funny and in some way your last comment too, how can you say that people will find  shorty levers unsuitable when they have to practice emergency stops, you do know that shorty levers are used on race bikes and on track almost all bends are an emergency stop of some degree.
Shorty levers are adjustable for span too so you can either have a long stretch or short stretch to the lever.
When I fitted mine it was instant comfort compared to the standard levers and also with that comfort comes a degree of extra confidence that I can get to the lever quicker, I hate having my hand outstretched to grab a brake or clutch lever.
I take your point that an emergency stop in not the best time to find out that your brake lever is at the bar but to be honest I don't think that would be a lever problem more a spongy brake problem which should've been sorted before the bike went near a road.
My apologies to you if I offended you but to be honest some of your comments are quite humorous, I myself use two finger braking for general riding but 3 fingers for extra pressure when  close to shitting myself.
At the end of the day it's what people are comfortable with and with using.
My apologies again, no offence meant.
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I did not say a thng about brake levers coming back to the bar, where did you get that from? And if you hate outstretching your hand to use a front brake then i suggest you learn because it's the proper way to stop a motorcycle, no instructor will teach you any other method.
It's a question of leverage that concerned me and the fact that a short lever obviously requires more effort to pull in than a long one especially with less fingers, not all of us have strong enough fingers to use just two, but iits easy with four.
As for use on the track, Ive done a few years of proddy racing and your comment on almost all bends being an emergency stop is patent nonsense, God help other riders if you ever do a trackday.
I'm not offended by your comments and dont want your ironic apology, i'm a bit too thick skinned for that.

[Kenbob]

Listen my friend, the fact that you've done track days is of no consequence to me and proves nothing yet you come on here telling people how many fingers they should be using and shorty levers aren't the best levers And blah blah blah.
Enough now.
Do it your way and I'll do it mine, it's kept me alive for 37 years of riding so I must be doing something right,it seems the only thing I've done wrong is to pull you up on a couple of points you made which quite frankly I saw as bullshit.
trust me I won't pull you up anymore because you're a trackday rider and obviously like the sound of your own opinion and frankly I'm not worthy.
Have a nice life and happy racing mr pieman.
Good day to you sir.

[Kenbob]

Try reading this mr smartar I mean mr pieman.
Read it and absorb it.

There is a very good article on levers on a site called lifeatlean.com
Your task is to simply read it and keep an open mind, its all there for you and remember,it's all personal choice.

[Simon.Pieman]

Listen my friend, the fact that you've done track days is of no consequence to me and proves nothing yet you come on here telling people how many fingers they should be using and shorty levers aren't the best levers And blah blah blah.
Enough now.
Do it your way and I'll do it mine, it's kept me alive for 37 years of riding so I must be doing something right,it seems the only thing I've done wrong is to pull you up on a couple of points you made which quite frankly I saw as bullshit.
trust me I won't pull you up anymore because you're a trackday rider and obviously like the sound of your own opinion and frankly I'm not worthy.
Have a nice life and happy racing mr pieman.
Good day to you sir.

Don't presume to tell me what to do. The one problem here is you making things up, namely stuff about documented evidence which you excused as facitiousness (it was actually sarcasm but never mind), levers coming back to the bar and now ive supposed to have done track days which i never have and now i'm supposed to be telling people how to brake, which again i havn't. All i said was 'I have a feeling' nothing more than that, i certainly didn't say anything that warranted you baiting me over things i never even said.
One thing you were right on is that you are not worthy, you talk rubbish.

[Kenbob]

You mentioned you did proddy racing, proddy racing is still on the race track or are you just splitting hairs with me.
Did you read the article, if you did then that should make things clearer for you.
Thank you.

[Dustydes]

Interesting


I use two fingers and can stop no problem. Blue spot calipers are still very good, maybe not like radials but very good. As long as your brakes are working as they should you will get the back in the air before you stop.
I also have XL hands and can get 4 fingers on the levers if I wanted





Please stop this berating


Even though I questioned the comment it is no reason to start a war of words. The comments may be right?


We all have our opinions, right wrong good or bad without them this site would not be interesting.
We all learn from others posts and build an opinion into what is right and wrong.
Believe me I have had it and decided not to prove the person wrong but just to let it go.
Yes it was hard but I knew it would result in the likes of these comments which serve no purpose in helping each other overcome any problems we may have.


Please be good guys we all need you


P.S I cant promise to be a saint in the future lol

[JD-LincsUK]

Anyone got a link to the Chinese ones, please?

Ta

The only two fingers I use when braking is to the plonker who made me have to in the first place!  :rollin

[Dustydes]

Anyone got a link to the Chinese ones, please?

Ta

The only two fingers I use when braking is to the plonker who made me have to in the first place!  :rollin

Cant find the same ones I have, but I wouldn't go folding again.
These are the same without fold and finger ribs


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Short-Brak...SwEK9UAWFD


Mine came from this guy


http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Brake-Levers/1...mousesleep

[Carlsv8]

The ones I've bought are from a seller called My_sky 007, I'll put an update on when I get them.

[JD-LincsUK]

Thanks

Edit: Ordered these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420

but will get these if I don't like the chinese ones:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-...7675.l2644

[Dustydes]

Just check ya nuts mate :-)

Thanks

Edit: Ordered these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420

but will get these if I don't like the chinese ones:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-...7675.l2644

[Dudeofrude]

Just check ya nuts mate :-)

That's just good advice all round haha

[JD-LincsUK]

Just check ya nuts mate :-)

Yeah, I'll do that  :thumbup

[JD-LincsUK]

Update for info - they arrived today (so only two weeks from order to delivery) and I like the look of 'em - black with red bits.

I'll post some pics when they're fitted, along with my opinion of them.

My clutch has been very stiff since I got the bike, despite new cable (and oil, of course), so I'm hoping these will make my hands ache less in traffic.

[Simon.Pieman]

You mentioned you did proddy racing, proddy racing is still on the race track or are you just splitting hairs with me.
Did you read the article, if you did then that should make things clearer for you.
Thank you.

No. You are presuming that I dont know better. In fact I do know better, having done 2 days with the Keith Code school in Australia a couple of years ago. They taught me all I need to know about braking, leverage, feathering brakes and control under full on brake force. I don't need to read 'articles'.
I hope you are not comparing proddy racing with track days. World of difference mate, not splitting hairs.
I'm not replying to this thread again. You admitted to being facicious (rude) from your very first post. That has been the problem here. Be civil.

[Kenbob]

For fuck sake pal let it fucking go, your too long asleep mate.

[Carlsv8]

I thought they looked nice

[Simon.Pieman]

For fuck sake pal let it fucking go, your too long asleep mate.

Yep, leaving the forum solves that, the US one is where i post more often anyway. Cheers.

[Kenbob]

Facetious doesn't mean rude.