(22-12-16, 10:03 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Dave48 link=topic=21570.msg248193#msg248193 date=1482396857]
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You right Dave,(&Darrsi) there's no excuse. I think long term it won't be an issue as the technology is being integrated within the car. E.g. your phone will automatically link with the car and all calls will go to car speaker with the caller's details displayed on the dash. In the meantime it seems as if we need to suffer these idiots.
But do we really need to chat whilst driving? Is it really that important? It wasn't 20 odd years ago and we seemed to get by okay.
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Now I am an old foccer but what gets me is how people cant even walk down the street without their phone on talking to someone. Young & not so young women pushing buggies into road without looking for traffic. Even so-called "intelligent" university students walking out from pavement without any awareness of danger. As celticdog says the vehicle technology is here or on the way-I had an onboard central console that functioned as satnav, phone display & audio centre with phone buttons on steering wheel in a Merc Sprinter 9 years ago.
I am not a "Luddite"but wonder if the technology is ahead of the average humans attention span. I see kids leaving primary school without basic literary/language skills but they know all about their smartphones/facebook/etc
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One thing i notice a lot when reading daily online news, is that reporters can't spell these days.
In fact they are so appalling at it, i make a point of making them aware of how shit their grammar has consistently been every day.
This must have something to do with not putting pen to paper, but even still they'll release stories that even their spellchecker hasn't resolved?
And now we have phone/laptop/tablet technology where you don't even need to type any more, you just speak to the gadget instead!
Yes, it is a very quick and brilliant concept, but i can't help feeling it's making people so lazy that they're not learning or refreshing their own skills as much as they really should be.
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Here's a perfect example of more embarrassing reporting. I'm looking at it wondering what he'd be retrained in, then realise it's meant to be "restrained", and this is a headline as well so they should easily spot the error. I see this so often, and although it's general laziness by not checking it before releasing it, it is also people becoming more reliant on technology. :rolleyes
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
An old survey suggested that up to two million drivers fall asleep at the wheel, maybe if they had been texting this number could have been reduced..................ahem
(22-12-16, 08:57 AM)celticdog link Wrote: You right Dave,(&Darrsi) there's no excuse. I think long term it won't be an issue as the technology is being integrated within the car. E.g. your phone will automatically link with the car and all calls will go to car speaker with the caller's details displayed on the dash. In the meantime it seems as if we need to suffer these idiots.
I love this!
Back in the summer I was filtering through a jam and stopped by this guy in a big Audi with his window open, his stereo blasting out some, like, well wicked bass innit, when his phone went off through his speakers.
I heard him say hello, then a woman's voice came booming out "Oh don't forget you need Canesten!"
His windows went straight up and I couldn't ride for the tears in my eyes.
Broken, bruised, forgotten, sore,
too fucked up to care any more.
the law says if you're distracted (e.g. using a mobile) then you're liable to be fined or worse if causing an accident, what makes the Police barley....other than legislation.....they're still human and can be distracted (not having a pop at the Police here......but this shows how out of touch the judiciary/Gvnt are)
there's no if and buts in law.....its black and white (before you start I know there's grey areas in law) you're either distracted or you're not
(23-12-16, 10:59 PM)maddog04 link Wrote: and that's the issue darrsi
the law says if you're distracted (e.g. using a mobile) then you're liable to be fined or worse if causing an accident, what makes the Police barley....other than legislation.....they're still human and can be distracted (not having a pop at the Police here......but this shows how out of touch the judiciary/Gvnt are)
there's no if and buts in law.....its black and white (before you start I know there's grey areas in law) you're either distracted or you're not
I don't disagree with you at all.
The police make mistakes, and will in a lot of cases take full responsibility instantly.
More so with things like driving on the the wrong side of the road, going through red lights, etc.
They still need to drive with absolute due care and and attention, and sometimes they get it wrong, and whoever they cause issues to need to be rightfully compensated without question.
It IS a grey area to the point where if it was you in trouble you'd like to think that any services would go all out to get to you asap though.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(23-12-16, 05:12 PM)maddog04 link Wrote: interesting.....those who advocate bans etc...
do you talk to your passenger, do you have the radio on etc.......all of these plus others come under the term "distraction"
Not quite in the same arena though I fear to say! Talking to someone and/ listening to the radio isn't quite the same as having one hand off the wheel or looking downwards whilst texting!
I wonder is there a business opportunity here. Being retired and the sad bastard that I am, what if I stood at a road junction with a Camera and photographed every car, van , lorry driver I observed using a mobile phone. Good clear photo of them and in the same photo got the reg number. Must be some way you could get them prosecuted and get cut of the money they were fined? Failing that you could find out were the fecker lived and just black mail them, thoughts please.
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(24-12-16, 08:58 AM)lew600fazer link Wrote: I wonder is there a business opportunity here. Being retired and the sad bastard that I am, what if I stood at a road junction with a Camera and photographed every car, van , lorry driver I observed using a mobile phone. Good clear photo of them and in the same photo got the reg number. Must be some way you could get them prosecuted and get cut of the money they were fined? Failing that you could find out were the fecker lived and just black mail them, thoughts please.
Ah nice idea but I do fear it would only take around a week for you to have no knee caps left haha
(24-12-16, 08:58 AM)lew600fazer link Wrote: I wonder is there a business opportunity here. Being retired and the sad bastard that I am, what if I stood at a road junction with a Camera and photographed every car, van , lorry driver I observed using a mobile phone. Good clear photo of them and in the same photo got the reg number. Must be some way you could get them prosecuted and get cut of the money they were fined? Failing that you could find out were the fecker lived and just black mail them, thoughts please.
You'd eventually be "accidentally" run over by a skip lorry i'd imagine!
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
All this talk about using mobiles whilst driving, I'm just hoping that the laws recently passed in France about the compulsory wearing of motorcycle gloves do not get implemented over here. I mean its difficult enough texting whilst riding along on the Fazer without have to manage it with thick motorcycle gloves on :lol
(24-12-16, 10:04 AM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: [quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=21570.msg248370#msg248370 date=1482566281]
I wonder is there a business opportunity here. Being retired and the sad bastard that I am, what if I stood at a road junction with a Camera and photographed every car, van , lorry driver I observed using a mobile phone. Good clear photo of them and in the same photo got the reg number. Must be some way you could get them prosecuted and get cut of the money they were fined? Failing that you could find out were the fecker lived and just black mail them, thoughts please.
Ah nice idea but I do fear it would only take around a week for you to have no knee caps left haha
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Think I will give it a go , sure me knees are knackered anyway, could be a way to jump the queue.
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(24-12-16, 12:53 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: All this talk about using mobiles whilst driving, I'm just hoping that the laws recently passed in France about the compulsory wearing of motorcycle gloves do not get implemented over here. I mean its difficult enough texting whilst riding along on the Fazer without have to manage it with thick motorcycle gloves on :lol
You may be joking but I have genuinely seen a teenager driving a moped while texting. It beggars belief, especially when he was only wearing a tracksuit and trainers (no socks) and the cheapest lid money can buy.
I suppose on the upside he wouldn't have survived long enough to make it to a cage and hurt someone else ?
(24-12-16, 08:48 AM)scoobiemandan link Wrote: [quote author=maddog04 link=topic=21570.msg248313#msg248313 date=1482509553]
interesting.....those who advocate bans etc...
do you talk to your passenger, do you have the radio on etc.......all of these plus others come under the term "distraction"
Not quite in the same arena though I fear to say! Talking to someone and/ listening to the radio isn't quite the same as having one hand off the wheel or looking downwards whilst texting!
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It's without doubt an individual thing, i see plenty of drivers with both hands on the wheel, probably no radio on, and no passengers in the car for any distraction yet they still drive like a total moron.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(24-12-16, 08:58 AM)lew600fazer link Wrote: I wonder is there a business opportunity here. Being retired and the sad bastard that I am, what if I stood at a road junction with a Camera and photographed every car, van , lorry driver I observed using a mobile phone. Good clear photo of them and in the same photo got the reg number. Must be some way you could get them prosecuted and get cut of the money they were fined? Failing that you could find out were the fecker lived and just black mail them, thoughts please.
I've been thinking similar thoughts myself for some years now, but not 'diy'. Two police officers, one plain clothed and equipped with a decent digital camera standing at the side of a busy road, the second in a pull-in area a hundred yards further on to book and ticket 'phone/device using drivers. The revenue would be massive. The only problem I can foresee is the queue of caught drivers backing up onto the road...
It is my opinion that the fine should be £1000 and six points, no more, no less, no ecxceptions i.e. a decent deterrent.
One of the issues is the morrows in the cars and their complete misunderstanding of what the law actually is.
To them, using a phone is holding it to your ear when the actual offence is "complete" just by holding the phone. The number of people I see driving and holding the phone in front of their face to use as they think this is allowed is incredible. More money needs to be spent on advertising what the law actually is to make people understand.
you can get done for being parked up and using your moby. They write the laws in black and white which doesn't help (see previous sentence)
I've got some background in Road safety and you wouldn't believe some peoples ideas ....then again.....
people adamant that 1mph over the limit is a heinous crime and when you explain its more dangerous to keep checking the speedo, they don't want to know.
I know of someone who smoked a joint and 12 hours later got pulled driving, awaiting test results that will criminalise the person for life and probably see them lose their job due to losing licence (apparently magistrates have no option but to ban and hardship cannot be factored in)
if we're writing rules stating certain things are illegal then you can't have Police using hand held radios whilst driving. no difference to using a moby...Its either dangerous or it isn't
Police have exemption from ALL traffic laws when driving on emergencies only. However, if their actions cause an accident it is investigated by the police complaints people and if they are BELIEVED to be guilty then they still get done.
You cannot expect PC Plod to abide by the law at all times or they would not be able to catch anyone speeding etc through fear of being done for speeding themselves.
I don't think Plod can use mobiles, but they can use their radios. Traffic cars have buttons on the steering wheel and voice activation on the radios to allow the driver to concentrate on driving with both hands though the local Pandas don't and the drivers of these (Panda cars not traffic) have not a lot more training than the average driver on the road though the internal driving test is a little harder to pass than the standard DVSA one.
