Great interview

[fazersharp]

It would be a shame though if scotland broke away because the UK flag does look pretty with the blue bit in it.

[VNA]

Maybe we will have to build a wall. 

  With a booming economy an Independent Scotland within the EU may need to control it’s border with England, considering England's failing economy outside the biggest single open trading market in the world!

[mtread]

I thought there already was a wall. Might need a bit of work doing to it though.

[lew600fazer]

VNA please post some form of documentation that states Scotland is a member of the EU.
Scotland IS NOT PART OF THE EU. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and N Ireland are part of the EU. Last time I looked Scotland was still a part of the United Kingdom.
VNA for someone who lives in a country which after all is a conquered nation you sure do talk some shite.

[fazersharp]

I thought there already was a wall. Might need a bit of work doing to it though.

You wont have a problem there as you could use all the polish and Bulgarian bricklayers that will be heading your way (once they have built the housing estates on all that empty land you have)

[mtread]

But it's the English that would want the wall rebuilt. Which means it won't get done on time and will be very expensive. I also recall that the wall is south of the current border, which means handing back Berwick and bits of Northumberland. BTW, I'm not a Scot. I like the place, but the weather's crap.

[fazersharp]

which means handing back Berwick and bits of Northumberland.

Ave it !

BTW, I'm not a Scot. I like the place, but the weather's crap.

Now you see this is the problem the scots are trying to use Brexit as a path to their own independence and the Remainers are piggybacking the scots to try to push for a stay in the EU. Both I think are demonstrating pretty disingenuous behaviour. 

[mtread]

That's fair enough. The Leavers did all their subterfuge before the referendum in order to steal the result.

[VNA]

 

Now you see this is the problem the scots are trying to use Brexit as a path to their own independence and the Remainers are piggybacking the scots to try to push for a stay in the EU. Both I think are demonstrating pretty disingenuous behaviour.

Don’t be silly.  That’s a nonsense.  I voted to REMAIN.  My hope was that the UK would vote decisively to REMAIN.  I have to say back in 2014, as somebody who has wanted independence for many years I didn’t think we would win, and we didn’t.  But, it was almost there, and indeed if Westminster hadn’t broken the rules of the campaign in the closing stages, well, you know, we might have made it across the line.



And don't forget the whole BREXIT campaign was based on lies.  Disingenous indeed!



And what is BREXIT anyway.  It’s dumb.  There is no wisdom behind it, just a fear of Johnny Foreigner and a vague notion of ‘taking back control’.  It is in fact a pissed off electorate kicking back against the system.  But they were kicking the wrong ball.


And of course, such is the mess, nobody told the voters what BREXIT would be, in fact nobody really bothered to put too much effort into thinking what it might mean or be as nobody actually seriously thought it would happen.  It was offered to the people as a means for divided Tory party to unite and win an election.  That they did, they held the referendum, and DOH!  Now they have a big problem. 



Scotland now has a problem too.  As I’ve explained Scotland, on the whole, does well as a member of the EU – hey there’s stuff we don’t like either, but on balance it works.  And yeah we might all want to think of the history of the EU, why it came to be and where we are now. 



You wanna know something, nobody knows what the result of a second Scottish referendum would be.  Many of those who voted YES in 2014 then voted OUT in 2016.  The wealthier you were in 2014 the more likely you were to vote NO, the wealthier you were in 2016 the more like to vote REMAIN.  Go figure.


But one thing that can drastically change the situation is - a Prime Minister and a government who teat the Scots with contempt.  David Cameron treated Scotland with contempt on the morning of the result in 2014 when he used that referendum result to talk of ‘English votes for English laws’.


Theresa May so far is treating Scotland like an irritating little colony – she is risking the union.


I’m not a member of the SNP, I’m not a massive fan of the SNP, but so far Nicola Sturgeon is playing a pretty smart game.  And indeed, practically offering Westminster a federal settlement that would put Independence to bed forever.  Perhaps not what Westminster wants, but considering the mess the Tories have got themselves in, well it might not be a bad idea. 



But whatever, the bottom line is access to the single market.  And it is possible for England and Wales to leave, with Scotland and Northern Ireland cutting a single market deal.  Which when you think about it, allows England and Wales to hard BREXIT but still have back door access to the EU.


There are plenty of other options.  But Fazersharp, if you think the Scottish Government is just going to ignore it’s electorate and say ‘oh well, sorry folks – England decides – it doesn’t matter what youse think’ I mean come on what planet are you on man?


And as for disingenuous behaviour – well the perfect example of that was the pledge to hold the referendum in order to win an election.  Bonkers!

[slimwilly]

What a load of bollocks I just read above, your view and just that, if we all took our time like you to write our thoughts, good thoughts, bollocks thoughts then this country would grind to a halt.
This country was grown  by private enterprise, still holds together by independant business and enterprise, the brexit vote was a combination of these people plus normal employees, yes everyday people,,we know what its about,,,,oh fuck,you got me writing now :lol

don't need you to tell us we are wrong

[taylor]

what I read Scotland is in to much debt to join the eu.  ?? who gives a f,

[lew600fazer]

Funny that I thought that was a requirement just take a look at all the scrounging bastards that are trying to join.