(24-11-16, 09:30 PM)AyJay link Wrote: Or did Yamaha more or less do that and then called it the Gen 2? Which didn't sell as well and hasn't the same reputation as the Gen 1 for rideablity...
Not the same because the character of the Gen 2 engine is that of the 2006 R1 (might be a bit earlier), not the brilliant carb'ed original. The 98/99 R1 has more grunt everywhere than the Gen 1 Fazer despite Yamaha saying the latter was 'retuned for more torque'.
A 4XV R1 motor in a Gen 2 frame ... now that's an idea! 
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(24-11-16, 10:37 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: Not the same because the character of the Gen 2 engine is that of the 2006 R1 (might be a bit earlier), not the brilliant carb'ed original. The 98/99 R1 has more grunt everywhere than the Gen 1 Fazer despite Yamaha saying the latter was 'retuned for more torque'.
I realise that, Mike. Toothy grin. I was just mixing it up a bit for the fun of it! I rode both the 2004 R1 and Gen 2 Fazer (matching architectures, in the same way the 99 R1 and 2001 Fazer architectures match) when they came out and the power deliveries of both are very different in character to the preceding models. I'm trying to think of a metaphor to describe it, but all I can come up with is the later models feel like a 600 with 40% more top end but only 10% more torque. Wildly inaccurate in the face of the actual power and torque figures, I know, but they don't feel like litre bikes, somehow.
They don't have the same gravitas and solidity as the older engines, the delivery feels thin and reedy rather than solid and robust. Something went missing when they started chasing revs to increase the power, probably the midrange. Midrange doesn't matter if you can pile on the revs really fast, you just gear the bike down a bit, which is also a 600 trait.
Have you ridden an MT-07 yet? That engine feels just like a Gen 1 Fazer's younger brother. Lovely power delivery.
(24-11-16, 10:37 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: A 4XV R1 motor in a Gen 2 frame ... now that's an idea! Mission impossible. Can't be done.
Arf!
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(24-11-16, 10:37 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: [quote author=AyJay link=topic=21421.msg246327#msg246327 date=1480019429]
Or did Yamaha more or less do that and then called it the Gen 2? Which didn't sell as well and hasn't the same reputation as the Gen 1 for rideablity...
A 4XV R1 motor in a Gen 2 frame ... now that's an idea!
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Don't know what all that 4XV R1 stuff is, but it seems to me that a lot of guys in here seem to think you are the Bogs Dollocks, so, I will just nod my head and grin like i know what you are talking about. Yeeeaaaah! that would go well 
Oh! Hello Mike, I think it is what I have seen/heard? people called you.
What is all this Ivanising or galvanising or pasteurising I keep hearing about? Please explain, then I will be able to nod my head and grin at that to.
(24-11-16, 09:30 PM)AyJay link Wrote: The problem with the written word is that it's very difficult to get a sense of the tone of voice from the words on the page, and one person's reading is often different to another's.
I couldn't agree more with you AyJay, they are wise words, and I am as guilty as the next man for jumping to conclusions. Thanks for your stabilising influence. :thumbup
A pasteurised Gen 1. That's exactly what the Gen 2 is. It's a Gen 1 with all the fat boiled out of it. That's the metaphor I was after. Well found, Tommy!
(Apologies to all Gen 2 owners)
Hi AyJay, spot on with your analysis of the Gen 2 and its engine donor R1. Glad one of us remembered which year it came from. Racing improves the breed is what they say but when it's the search for peak power driving rev limits higher and higher, the road character of the engine changes for the worse. Thin and reedy is exactly the feeling I got riding the original Gen 2 back to back with a stock Gen 1.
(25-11-16, 12:21 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: What is all this Ivanising ...?
A good way of making the Gen 1 smoother and more powerful.
http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthr...+boot+mods
(25-11-16, 08:20 AM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: Racing improves the breed is what they say but when it's the search for peak power driving rev limits higher and higher, the road character of the engine changes for the worse.
Amen :thumbup
I haven't logged on for a few days and thought this thread would have long died but Reading all the posts that came after I sort of wish I hadn't asked the question. :'(
Anyway thanks to all who felt I was getting a bit of an intellectual kicking and at the time ,I did too,but I hold no grudges and it is after all a forum for people to chat , rant , discuss and help others along with a bit of banter and piss taking along the way  which is probably why it's one of the better owners club forums and folk stay on after buying something else.
Any question you don't know the answer to is a fair one in my book, so don't let it worry you. As it turns out, it's got a few of us reminiscing about the good old days of carbs and all the traction control being in the right wrist.
Ah, nostalgia ain't wot it used to be ...
(25-11-16, 08:23 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: As it turns out, it's got a few of us reminiscing about the good old days of carbs and all the traction control being in the right wrist.
Ah, nostalgia ain't wot it used to be ...
You can stop now Mike. If I have to keep saying amen anymore, folks will think I've got religion :lol
Testify!
(as the born again types in the US often say at congregation)
Ahhhhh ail cosy and cuddley again.
It's actually quite beyond ridiculous how good a bike a sorted well looked after gen one is...
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