EU in or out ?

[crickleymal]

"IN" for me.  My dad runs a small but successful business and we just couldn't handle the import/export nonsense we see for non EU countries trying to work with the EU.  Given what he makes, we can't export to some countries but EU is fine. If EU changed the rules so we had to abide like non EU countries do, we'd be stuffed.

Also in what I do, we can work with EU really easily - when I see what non-EU countries have to do to deliver the same as us, we'd probably need to recruit within EU rather than UK.

Different industries may be different, but for my dad and my area, in is better.

People will still illegally want to come to the UK.  It won't make a jot of difference if we are in/out.

Oh and I am pro Scotland, if the UK vote out, and Scotland generally vote "in" expect to wave them good-bye.

Do I think our relationship with the EU is perfect? No. Do I want to see changes? Yes. But taking it all into account, I'd rather be in.

Cheers

Markie

My position entirely

[DILLIGAFF]

As I am old enough to remember voting to join the Common Market, in 1975, on promises of "Wine lakes" and "Butter mountains", all fictitious...............

1) Why do we need 73 fatcat MEPs on big salaries and enormous expenses?
2) Why should we pay £8.5 bn, that's £8,500,000,000, to be in a club that tells us what to do?
3) Like many, I am totally pissed off with some obscure "Court" in Luxembourg telling us how to run our judicial system.
4) Immigration is only a small part of the problem and has been used politically in the "for and against" parties.
5) Modern day politics in my view is the same as religion or football clubs. It starts out with good intentions, then realises it has power and economic advantage over its members and starts to squeeze ever tighter.

Finally, the Pub Landlord had my vote at "Beer will be 1p/pint. !!

[slappy]

Has the EU ever managed to get its accounts in order? I seem to remember that for years the auditors would never pass them off  as they could never figure them out.

[mr self destruct]

Out, I don't believe all the scaremongering .

In, for the very same reason.


I've yet to come across one single piece of balanced, unbiased information on this subject.


It's ALL scaremongering, from the In crowd who scream about how it'll be economic suicide if we leave, or the Out crowd who bleat on about Shrodinger's immigrants filling up the country or EU laws on how straight our fucking bananas have to be.


I can only go from personal experience, and no immigrant has ever taken my job, my bananas are still bent, and the company I work for does a lot of business in the EU.

[Val]

As I am old enough to remember voting to join the Common Market, in 1975, on promises of "Wine lakes" and "Butter mountains", all fictitious...............

1) Why do we need 73 fatcat MEPs on big salaries and enormous expenses?
2) Why should we pay £8.5 bn, that's £8,500,000,000, to be in a club that tells us what to do?
3) Like many, I am totally pissed off with some obscure "Court" in Luxembourg telling us how to run our judicial system.
4) Immigration is only a small part of the problem and has been used politically in the "for and against" parties.
5) Modern day politics in my view is the same as religion or football clubs. It starts out with good intentions, then realises it has power and economic advantage over its members and starts to squeeze ever tighter.

Finally, the Pub Landlord had my vote at "Beer will be 1p/pint. !!

In all honesty there is a big confusion and right mess about the whole in/out of EU.

For example UK actually has founded European Convention of Human Rights and the associated European Court of Human Rights is part of Council of Europe, the Council or Europe conatins 47 countries and that has nothing to do witn EU itself or in/out referendum.

Otherwise nobody can see what exactly is the point of having these fat cats MEPs.

[fazersharp]

:lol I just love the vote bar chart right now it looks exactly like a big middle finger

[fazersharp]

Anyway why don't we leave and if we don't like it we can just re-join ------------ that's what the French would do, they always seem to what the foc they like.

[Robbie8666]

:lol I just love the vote bar chart right now it looks exactly like a big middle finger

:rollin :rollin :rollin I'd just noticed that too! lol

[lew600fazer]

:rollin :rollin It does lol.
Regardless how the vote goes Cameron will have the vote rigged so we stay in.
From a personal point of view get the vote done and dusted as I have just sold up here in Spain and my other half is wanting to buy again in France. The grand daughter has spoken and wants Grandma & Grandpa to live in France. Why could my son not just have married a British girl and I could get back to the UK. I love my grand daughter but living in France wtf !!!!!!!!!
Still they do have decent roads there.

[fazersharp]

My prediction is.
Cameron will not get the agreement he is after and will leave saying it was not good enough, that will save his face and he will come home strutting like a peacock.
And there will be no June vote
Mean while France and Germany will put the pressure on the smaller countries to agree to our demands by scaring them that if we leave their gravy train will end,
A new agreement will be sought and agreed (same but re worded)
Cameron will come home and triumph it and a vote will happen in the Autumn.
And then we will leave
Cameron will resign and Boris will become PM.
Mean while we will score no points in the eurovision song contest as the whole of the EU spits on us. 

[mtread]

Fazersharp I think you might be spot on. But you left out one bit. Boris will decide which side he's on only after he knows the result.

[darrsi]

Looks like we're staying in!  :'(

[dazza]

Sounds like good old Camoron has got us a cracking deal.....Only one problem.....Everything that comes out of his mouth exudes methane

[midden]

My prediction is.
Cameron will not get the agreement he is after and will leave saying it was not good enough, that will save his face and he will come home strutting like a peacock.
And there will be no June vote
Mean while France and Germany will put the pressure on the smaller countries to agree to our demands by scaring them that if we leave their gravy train will end,
A new agreement will be sought and agreed (same but re worded)
Cameron will come home and triumph it and a vote will happen in the Autumn.
And then we will leave
Cameron will resign and Boris will become PM.
Mean while we will score no points in the eurovision song contest as the whole of the EU spits on us.

Boris become PM  :eek  I'd rather stay in Europe and welcome the economic migrants

[nick crisp]

There are a couple of things I don't understand (like, everything to do with politics  :lol ).


1. What are the current goals of the EU? Is it to eventually become a single large state under a single government? Do any members actually know what they are aiming for in the longer term?


2. There seem to be some rather confused Scots. Some seem to want out from under the yoke of Westminster, but seem quite happy to end up under the yoke of Brussels. What can that be about?


Told ya I'm confused  :\

[unfazed]

There are a couple of things I don't understand (like, everything to do with politics  :lol ).


1. What are the current goals of the EU? Is it to eventually become a single large state under a single government? Do any members actually know what they are aiming for in the longer term?


2. There seem to be some rather confused Scots. Some seem to want out from under the yoke of Westminster, but seem quite happy to end up under the yoke of Brussels. What can that be about?


Told ya I'm confused  :\

Ah! but you easily confused  :lol :lol

[Oldgit]

here is a Scot who will be voting OUT.

[celticdog]

I can wait for a federal Europe!


Time to be decimalised- 100 seconds, 100 minutes in an hour 10 hours a day, 10 days in a week ect.
Esperanto to be the official written and spoken language.
A space program to put a man on Saturn to claim mining rights.
The national debt to be transferred onto a 6 months interest free card.
Zebra crossings to be renamed as they're racist against other animals.
No secular holidays- Christmas to be renamed 'The Winterval Festival'.
Half the grey squirrel population to be painted red to increase red population.
Prison overcrowding, release those who are innocent.
Equal pay- working couples will have the higher earners' wage reduced to be in line with their partner.


Bring it on!  :lol  :rollin  :rollin  :rollin 

[Grayo]

[dickturpin]

Looking forward to the Boris and Trump debates in the future!  :eek :eek :eek