Jihad John gone

[fazersharp]

I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

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[joebloggs]

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I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

I know it's the Hindu festival of light, was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault


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[Frosties]

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[quote author=joebloggs link=topic=18723.msg216097#msg216097 date=1447585811]
I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

I know it's the Hindu festival of light, was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault


Diwali is a [size=1.45em]HINDU FESTIVAL  [/size]
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Apart from Ramadam cos I'd feckin waste away.


And a +1 for Noggy at No.10  :thumbup

[nick crisp]

was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault

Why? The more I see of "multiculturalism", the less I like it. Why should you be able to tell me to embrace it?

[slappy]

Ok then if we are to embrace multiculturism then when will all the muslims over here do so?
Take a trip through Bradford and see how much it is embraced there is some areas, some parts are now no go areas for a non muslim.

[VNA]

That kinda reminds me of a revealing wee moment at work some years ago.

Back then I read The Glasgow Herald.  I turned the page and here was this picture of a Scottish Pakistani family standing in front of their highland house in full highland dress along with an article.  I have to say the picture brought a smile to my face - it looked somewhat unusual to say the least.

Anyway the story was of a Scottish Asian family who had lived in a highland village for a couple of generations or so.  At one village event - a wedding or something - one villager got talking to another.  The Asian villager confessed that he didn't always feel 100% comfortable at such events.  On enquiring why, the gentleman explained that well, they, the white Scottish villagers had their highland dress and traditions etc and all, and that though they were (the Asian family) always made to feel welcome at such events, it's just at times they felt a tiny wee bit like outsiders.  The other man was taken aback, and the conversation spread, and over a few days spread round the village.

The long and short of it was, that with the help and support of all in the village, our Scottish Asian family commissioned and registered their own family tartan, and hence the half page photo in my paper.

I held the paper up in the mess room at work "Check this out lads".  I was stunned by the response;

Fucking Pakkis!  Who the fuck do they think they are?  Send the fuckers back home etc etc.  A whole barrage of abuse.  Pure hatred. 

Ok then if we are to embrace multiculturism then when will all the muslims over here do so?

Integration works two ways.  You can only integrate if you are accepted.  So the answer to your question is racism slappy.

Whats needed is for all the peaceful muslims to rise up, kick the hate preachers out of the mosques and schools and say enough is enough, strangely they never do that, makes you wonder why.

And what is it that IS want?  They want us to turn on our Muslim brothers and sisters, they want us all, just like you, to blame the wider Muslim community for the actions of IS.  This is just the kind of racist crap that IS want to stir up.

[bri h]

The problem with blaming racism is there doesn't seem to be any Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up on busses.I saw an Imam on tv years ago after 9 11 saying not all Muslims were terrorists but all terrorists were Muslim.  Sad as it is he has a point.

[bri h]

The paradox is that IS feed of remarks like the one I just made and make it far more xenophobic than it is. The fact is the vast majority of us are intelligent enough not to be radicalised but as I've said before the caliphate they are trying to create is evil and has no place on this planet .

[nick crisp]

Integration works two ways.  You can only integrate if you are accepted.  So the answer to your question is racism slappy.

So, tell me how Scottish independence, and the kind of nationalistic talk that you and others seeking it spout, helps integration?


VNA, you "political animals" are all the same. You'll argue that black is white (if you'll excuse the pun), whether you believe in it or not. And then you'll spend ages trying to persuade yourselves you DO believe in it.


Just because one doesn't want what our politicians are peddling as multiculturalism, doesn't mean one is racist. What is multiculturalism anyway? Just because we allow the people of other countries to come and live in Britain, doesn't make it an integrated society. And it's not just muslims who build their own communities and keep themselves apart from the rest. I want Britain to have it's own strong culture, developed through thousands of years of history. I would like to see anyone that comes here and lives and works here accept that, along with it's rules and law. I don't want to see enclaves, such as have been mentioned, where I or anyone else can't go because we're not accepted by the alien culture that has taken root there. I don't want to see immigrants getting preferential treatment over people whose families originated here in the UK.


It's one thing to go on holiday abroad and sample another culture, or go to an Indian restaurant or whatever. And I've no problems with others coming here to do the same. But if they come to LIVE here, they should obey our laws, not introduce their own that clash with that; they should make their best effort to learn our language, as I'm sure you would do should you choose to live in another country.


And who decided that we should turn this country into a multicultural hodgepodge? I don't remember being asked to vote on it. Well, now perhaps we are beginning to pay the price for another poorly thought out idea, built on the back of liberal 'let's all be fwends together' hogwash, where we daren't speak our minds for fear of being called RACIST!!  :eek , or some other pc knee-jerk reaction.


No, I'm no BNP supporter - I don't agree with their inflammatory talk. I don't want to see us completely cut ourselves off from Europe or the rest of the world, but this is Britain - I would like to see it stay that way.


And do you know what I really hate? Is the way these same liberal-thinking twats try to tell me I have to take the guilt of things our country has done in the past on my shoulders. Utter bollocks. Did I build the British Empire? Did I tell Blair to take us into war against Saddam Hussein? What could I have done about it? For fuck's sake, stop trying to surround yourself in cotton wool. This world will never be perfect while there are humans in it. Learn to deal with it, because you can't ever change human nature, and you're in for a world of disappointment if you think you can.


Aaaaand another thing! ISIS aren't the ones making us in the UK turn on one another. Our own politicians and pc brigade are managing that quite well without some mediaeval, barbaric towel-heads in Iraq and Syria to help us along. IS are just the latest tiresome war-makers in a long line (and yes, I agree that western policy in the Middle East is included in that line) throughout history that will continue while there are people on this planet. Seriously mate, you really think you'll ever get rid of war and conflict? Cloud cuckoo land.


Now, what the foc am I doing in a political thread?! *exits stage left* :lol


Oh yeah.... :lurk :b

[VNA]

The problem with blaming racism is there doesn't seem to be any Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up on busses.I saw an Imam on tv years ago after 9 11 saying not all Muslims were terrorists but all terrorists were Muslim.  Sad as it is he has a point. [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/sad.gif[/img]

Are you trying to be funny?

[bri h]

I don't think anything that happened in paris on Friday is remotely funny.

[Frosties]

The problem with blaming racism is there doesn't seem to be any Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up on busses.I saw an Imam on tv years ago after 9 11 saying not all Muslims were terrorists but all terrorists were Muslim.  Sad as it is he has a point. [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/sad.gif[/img]

Are you trying to be funny?

He's just stating a fact.

[VNA]

So, tell me how Scottish independence, and the kind of nationalistic talk that you and others seeking it spout, helps integration?

You tell me what is anti-integration about Scottish Independence.

[VNA]

He's just stating a fact.

What?!

[Frosties]

So, tell me how Scottish independence, and the kind of nationalistic talk that you and others seeking it spout, helps integration?

You tell me what is anti-integration about Scottish Independence.

I believe we have an integrated Nato nuclear policy which the SNP through there policy would remove. There's your starter for 10................

[bri h]

The fact is that as far as in aware the terrorist attacks I know of recently have been carried out by people calling themselves Muslims. I know that the vast majority of decent people that happen to be Muslims hate what they are doing.but they are definitely doing it. That's a fact.

[slappy]

Don't forget VNA is always right, the rest of us are just racist foccers.

[nick crisp]

So, tell me how Scottish independence, and the kind of nationalistic talk that you and others seeking it spout, helps integration?

You tell me what is anti-integration about Scottish Independence.

Are you trying to be funny? Separatism = integration? How does that work?

A gentleman would answer the questions being put to him, not counter with another question. Bloody politicians  :rolleyes

[VNA]

A gentleman would answer the questions being put to him, not counter with another question. Bloody politicians  [img alt=:rolleyes]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/img]

It's difficult to answer a question that one simply doesn't understand.  And surely if one is to state that an Independent Scotland would be anti-integration then surely one needs to make that case.

Further I am lost as to what NATO has to do with social integration and cohesion. :lol  I really am.

I believe we have an integrated Nato nuclear policy which the SNP through there policy would remove. There's your starter for 10................

Well first of all if Scotland decided to go it alone, one of the first things we would need to do is elect a government.  Scotland is a democratic country and would continue to be so.  Now unlike you I don't know if or when, at this moment in time, Scotland will become independent never mind who the first government is.  What I can tell you is that the independence movement is an inclusive movement.

Further the Labour Party have just voted against renewal of Trident, though again I'm lost as to what any of this has got to do with social integration and cohesion, multiculturalism etc.

[Frosties]

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I heard he was not dead he has moved to Glasgow looking for VNA. No doubt VNA will not give a fuck either about those totally guilty French people who dared to be out this evening getting on with there lives and how dare they may have been enjoying themselves,

I was actually thinking myself that VNA could possibly be a total PRIZE CNUT and he didn't let me down!

What a reliable knob jockey!
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I really should have listened to you two  :lol