The French causing probelms again.

[lew600fazer]

I'm an IT engineer. Working part time in a bicycle repair shop. I get some 2 euros per hour. Why is my hour less valuable than a UK worker's one? Because I was born outside UK, or EU for that matter.

Sanctions, even NATO bombarding my country, etc.

Did I get any saying into my, or any other country's policy? Nope. You get to vote once in 4 years between 2 equally corrupt politicians.


Situation in Africa is even worse. Those people are looking for living, survival. They go through ordeal and take lots of sacrifice to get to EU. They are the same as people anywhere else. Poor, desperate, but basically the same. Imagine how desperate a man must be to go from a land of sunshine, all the way to, no less, than bloody England?! 

So are you saying you were all better of as a British colony then

[Slaninar]

So are you saying you were all better of as a British colony then

My country was a lot better of as a part of Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia. Before we got democracy. Free education, medical care, lots of jobs, etc.


However, that is not the point. The point is that 80% of world's population lives in poor condition. Some 2% of the richest hold 90% of the total resources.  Then there's a rather small amount of people still living in somewhat decent conditions, feeling threatened by an influx of immigrants. Germany, UK, Italy... 


It takes a lot to leave one's family, home and go live abroad. It's a hard life, being a stranger all your life. People don't do it unless they have to. Do I deserve a decent life more than some African man? Just because I was born 1000 miles to the north? I don't think so.


What we need, IMO on a global scale is German engineers, British police officers and Italian chefs. No excuses, no choice.  A fascist regime. 

[darrsi]

I'm an IT engineer. Working part time in a bicycle repair shop. I get some 2 euros per hour. Why is my hour less valuable than a UK worker's one? Because I was born outside UK, or EU for that matter.

Sanctions, even NATO bombarding my country, etc.

Did I get any saying into my, or any other country's policy? Nope. You get to vote once in 4 years between 2 equally corrupt politicians.


Situation in Africa is even worse. Those people are looking for living, survival. They go through ordeal and take lots of sacrifice to get to EU. They are the same as people anywhere else. Poor, desperate, but basically the same. Imagine how desperate a man must be to go from a land of sunshine, all the way to, no less, than bloody England?! 

When was Band Aid?
1984.


Yet the poor kids we saw suffering and enduring hell have since had their own kids and shown them on telly in adverts echoing exactly the same circumstances and suffering that they endured THIRTY ONE YEARS later.
Partly their fault, and probably even more to do with crazy despot leaders with zero conscience who honestly don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.


Here's a perfect example of how skint Africa is.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsn...Bongo.html

[Frosties]

Darrsi - are you being so bold as to suggest that the vast majority of overseas aid is syphoned off by governments, armed forces and local police etc with probably 5% max reaching those in need  :eek.

And that if it were not syphoned off by corruption they wouldn't have to ponce off us..

You sir are a cad  :lol

[darrsi]

Darrsi - are you being so bold as to suggest that the vast majority of overseas aid is syphoned off by governments, armed forces and local police etc with probably 5% max reaching those in need  :eek .

And that if it were not syphoned off by corruption they wouldn't have to ponce off us..

You sir are a cad  :lol

5% sounds quite genorous, i doubt it's that much.

[pilninggas]

[quote author=Frosties link=topic=17741.msg204945#msg204945 date=1437818172]
Darrsi - are you being so bold as to suggest that the vast majority of overseas aid is syphoned off by governments, armed forces and local police etc with probably 5% max reaching those in need  :eek .

And that if it were not syphoned off by corruption they wouldn't have to ponce off us..

You sir are a cad  :lol

5% sounds quite genorous, i doubt it's that much.
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A load of dogooders seem to like underwriting corrupt leaders and over-paid bosses of NGOs and we're expected to swallow it hooklinesinker.

OT: sounds awful around Kent, even coming out of Folkestone is now gridlocked apparently. Wondering if things will change in the next few days.

[BBROWN1664]

why not shoot a few refugees at Dover?

You missed the point entirely VNA (as seems normal)

I meant to shoot them whilst they are still in France :pokefun


Real refugees I don't have an issue with. The ones I have an issue with are the ones that cross several safe countries to get to the UK because it is seen as the place where they will live the life of luxury with someone else paying for their houses etc. A refugee is meant to stop in the first safe place and claim asylum. These people are economic migrants, not refugees. England is struggling to cope with the ones we have already. France (and other European countries) just help them move on to the UK and do no thing to really stop them trying to get to the UK.

In the past 3 months, channel crossings have been affected between Dover and Calais on 1 out of every 3 days due to two things.

First are the MyFerry workers who got a strop on because Eurotunnel (their owners) were told to cease operations to help avoid them having a monopoly. The result of this was that MyFerry sold two of the ships to DFDS who, sensibly or not, decided they wanted cheap Asian labour running their boats rather than the militant French ferry workers.

Second are the economic migrants who are storming the tunnel and Calais port on a daily basis. All the French are doing is telling the UK to do more. WTF? The French let these people into their country. They let the same people set up camp alongside the port. They let the same people climb in to lorries waiting to get into the port. They don't sent them back to Italy or wherever they arrived from. They let them go again to try again.

I like France as a country. I generally like the people. I like it enough to have bought a house there which I want to go to soon. With the current disruption on getting across there though for the reasons mentioned above, the holidays of thousands of people are being affected.

So yes, I do want to see positive action taken against the migrants as they nothing but a feccin nuisance and should be jailed for a lot of the things they are doing at the moment. A few snipers waiting in the tunnels for someone to poke their head in might prevent people trying though.

[VNA]

the holidays of thousands of people are being affected.

I know it's terrible.  These scum bags fleeing our wars and neocon exploitative so called free market politics are disrupting people's holidays!  It's outrageous. 

So yes, I do want to see positive action taken against the migrants as they nothing but a feccin nuisance and should be jailed for a lot of the things they are doing at the moment.

Oh diddums!  Why don't you fire up the gas ovens.

probably even more to do with crazy despot leaders with zero conscience who honestly don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Yup every dodgy leader round the globe is usually propped up and encouraged by the west or Russia.  And having crazy despot leaders means we can sell em loads of arms that they either don't need or shouldn't have.

[taylor]

bbrown, buy a caravan I wales you can go every week, without all the hassle lol. :lol

[BBROWN1664]

Taylor. We have a tin box on wheels. We keep it in France for when we have guests starting with us. As soon as I get the building work done though the mobile shed will be sold.

I have been to Wales a lot. Apart from on rugby tour weekend, I have only ever been on business. I don't want to go there unless someone pays me to : pokefun

[taylor]

its pissing it down here today :'(

[BBROWN1664]

I must have been to Wales 50 times over the years. Only twice it didn't rain. One if those two occasions it was snowing

[Billy Balthorpe]

As someone said above, these people in and around Calais are NOT refugees now, they WERE refugees fleeing in fear of their lives when they landed in Italy (or wherever), but because they never registered as refugees in Italy and continued up to Calais, they are now economic migrants from outside the EU and therefore we should be able to send them back to the country they were last officially living. So, fit out a boat and drop them off in North Africa. Probably quite expensive, but not as expensive as supporting them in this country. Or we could just load them into the Eurotunnel trains and drop them off in Calais.
I do feel sorry for them, but if what they say is true and they are genuinely in fear of their lives in their own country, they should have registered in the first country they arrived in because they were no longer in danger.

I get the feeling they (and the rest of the EU) are just taking the piss out of us because of the bleeding hearts, overly PC, wishy washy liberal attitude which our Government seems to have to adopt to keep the small number of pressure groups (in relation to the general population) happy, in an attempt to keep their votes.

[lew600fazer]

Slag off the UK etc all you want but at least we do have some form of border control so we can at least stop some these scum bags coming in.
Just have a look at them trying to board lorries , How many are families , all I seem to see are young men. Were are there woman and children all fecking left behind to fend for themselves.
I note VNA is not asking or insisting they take them up to Scotland, Ideal really put them on the islands Tyree would be ideal, not even a fecking tree can survive on there.
One of the first things they should do is if we have to take them, medical inspection, free family planning included, snip & clip.
Am I going a bit far here???

[JoeRock]

Slag off the UK etc all you want but at least we do have some form of border control so we can at least stop some these scum bags coming in.
Just have a look at them trying to board lorries , How many are families , all I seem to see are young men. Were are there woman and children all fecking left behind to fend for themselves.
I note VNA is not asking or insisting they take them up to Scotland, Ideal really put them on the islands Tyree would be ideal, not even a fecking tree can survive on there.
One of the first things they should do is if we have to take them, medical inspection, free family planning included, snip & clip.
Am I going a bit far here???

Well you do sound as though you're proposing some kind of Nazi-style eugenics programme.

[Billy Balthorpe]

And Doctor Strangelove once again has to slap his left hand over the right arm to stop it raising automatically in a Nazi salute.

[Phil]

Well you do sound as though you're proposing some kind of Nazi-style eugenics programme.

That's what I was thinking of a few posts in this thread.

Slag off the UK etc all you want but at least we do have some form of border control so we can at least stop some these scum bags coming in.
Just have a look at them trying to board lorries , How many are families , all I seem to see are young men. Were are there woman and children all fecking left behind to fend for themselves.
I note VNA is not asking or insisting they take them up to Scotland, Ideal really put them on the islands Tyree would be ideal, not even a fecking tree can survive on there.
One of the first things they should do is if we have to take them, medical inspection, free family planning included, snip & clip.
Am I going a bit far here???

A lot of countries workers do it this way. The men work, the women mind the home. If there is no local work they travel either within the same country or abroad and send money home. I did a bike tour in Morocco. There seemed a lot of men hanging around which gave the place a slightly uncomfortable feel. A South African couple on the tour explained they just didn't have a job that day, so appear lazy and just hang around. Their wives do all the home and growing veg in their gardens/allotments etc. That's how it works throughout Africa.

I've worked for a company with a lot of Indian workers. I couldn't believe the number of colleagues in Pune India who come from other parts of India and have family 24 hours train journey a way. Some worked in the UK for a year without going home once.

I don't think they are necessary scumbags, just desperate. To get into Europe they have probably paid people smugglers a lot of money after being sold the good life story for them just to be dumped in a boat. The smugglers and the corruption in those countries needs tackling otherwise we will get a steady stream of immigrants. 

[lew600fazer]

So tell me!!! have probably paid a lot of money to get here, so they must have had a job to earn money to get here. If they have a job why are they leaving??
I am sorry but we have enough of our own young people who have no work and are having to live with parents etc!! more people landing on our shores we do not need.
Call me a Nazi if you like I am only saying what a lot of people are thinking. Let them in if you like but you are only stoking the fire and there will be a day of reckoning.

[celticdog]

These people need our humanitarian help. Morally I'm not comfortable with women and children drowning in the Mediterranean just to get to Europe. It's a foccin' mess and we've only got ourselves to blame. Getting shot of Gaddafi was a mistake and you could say the same of Sadam (and maybe even Assad). These despots ran authoritarian states which generally caused the West no problems, suppressed radical Islam and maintained border controls. Now borders are open and every chancer from south of the Sahara can walk in. The great majority of the immigrants are poor, illiterate and unskilled Africans with nowt to offer Europe. If the tide of immigrants is not checked it will transform the character of Italy and much of Europe for the worst. It's a disgrace that the Royal Navy is assisting in dumping these people in Italy - take them back to the African coast.

[crickleymal]

So yes, I do want to see positive action taken against the migrants as they nothing but a feccin nuisance and should be jailed for a lot of the things they are doing at the moment.

And what are they doing at the moment?