The Jock vote

[bigbluebear]

You should be asking your own politicians that question......but don't expect an answer.....that's why we want away

[hightower]

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[noggythenog]

At the end of the day i dont think it will really affect you all that much......well not to a level of suffering anyway....the alarm clock will still go off in the morning...x factor will still haunt us for 6 months of the year.....the sun will rise and set and the rain will pour.


So some individuals may gain or lose money but hey that's just money........suffering a disease or crashing the bike and ending up disabled would affect us far more than Scottish independence.


We've gone through umpteen wars and we've suffered financial crashes and we're still around in relative normality.


All this crap from politicians about how much we will all suffer is really just a guise for what they really mean which is " THEY" will suffer..........goody gum drops lets carry on.

[locksmith]

Just what I thought!

[pilgo]

If it is a 100% inclusive campaign why are Scots who live and work in other parts of the UK being excluded from the vote, just a question thats all

Because it is The Scottish people that will decide.  That is the people who live, work and contribute to Scotland.

well,that discounts 60% of the population then,as their all on the social arnt they? 

[pilgo]

Or look at it this way, the white population of the UK will be reduced by around about 4.5million and the Muslim population in what remains of the UK will have increased it's %share by what 20%, be worried................


...........I am no raving Tory/Labourite/Libdem either

Umm no, but just a little racist perhaps?

Anyway I'm voting YES!

seriously,how the foc does that quote make him racist?  :groan

[VNA]

Also am I correct in saying they have lowered the voting age to 16? personally I would not send a 16 year old out to buy a bottle of milk never mind decide the possible future of the Union. I know when I was 16 all I had in my head was football, girls and motorbikes
If the vote is a NO vote will the voting age then go back up to 18 again, that is unless the rest of the UK also lower it.
We hear daily on the news and other media that employers are concerned that children leaving school are not coming to the work place equiped with basic skills such as reading and writing. Salmond and his mates are using these young people for his own ends here.
Me if I was at school these days likely as not I would be in special needs. [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/img]

Yup 16 and 17 year olds get to vote.

I think it's a good move.  The important factor I think is that at 16 or 17 you can go out and work, therefore pay taxes.  If you are old enougth to pay tax then you should logically have a say in how those taxes are spent.

It's also engaging people in politics at a younger age, and crucially at an age when they are either still at school or just about to leave. 

Yes I would hope, irrespective of the outcome of this referendum, that in Scotland and across the UK the standard voting age will be 16.

And 16 yr old kids that have never contributed to anything and expect their free university places (paid for by England) will continue whichever way they vote.

At the end of the day Stupid, Scotland contributes X amount to the UK.  Via the barnett formula we get X minus a big chuck back- ie our budget.  The Scottish Parliament then has to decide how to spend it's budget, the reason we have free education, free prescriptions, free care for the elderly etc is becuase how we in Scotland decide to spend our budget.

I reckon if the Scots vote no the English should get their own referendum to decide if we still want to subsidize them.

Don't be stupid now.

You may wish to ponder why the pound took a wee slide when we had a poll suggesting a YES victory. 

And as for the currency union, well I'll bet you if there is a YES result, very quickly both sides will be discussing a possible currency union.  The last thing that anybody needs is a run on the pound, and that's a real danger if there is no currency union. 


YES YES YES 

[Farjo]

Scotland seems pretty pro-EU, so without them voting in an EU referendum there will be more chance of England/Wales/NIreland voting to leave. But perhaps your next question would be "How will leaving the EU affect me?".

As mentioned, if they vote Yes then we will get more Conservative governments, but if they vote No then perhaps the SNP's vote will collapse at the next general election, and Labour will pick up their seats, meaning more chance of Labour governments.

Our flag would change:

[smg id=2243 type=preview caption="Union Jockless"]
(You can see I spent a long time on this)

[VNA]

As mentioned, if they vote Yes then we will get more Conservative governments, but if they vote No then perhaps the SNP's vote will collapse at the next general election, and Labour will pick up their seats, meaning more chance of Labour governments.

I don't see that the SNP will take a hit post a possible NO vote.  And in any case with only 6 seats would anybody notice, apart from those of us in Scotland, if they did get wiped out?

Post a YES vote, I think you'll have the North of England and Wales screaming for constitutional change.  There would also be a massive debate around Trident.  Do you want build a new base for Trident plus replace the ageing subs and weapons system, would the remainder of the UK accept that massive economic hit, people going hungry for Trident?

I think post YES we'll see politics alive right across England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland like never before.


YES YES YES 

[Farjo]

Didn't realise it was only six, but the next general election seems so close that 6 could make the difference.

If there's an EU referendum, and the vote is to stay within it, then I think UKIP's vote will collapse because their main policy (get out of EU) cannot be obtained any more. Although the SNP obviously has a more rounded policy set, having been in government an' all, still its main policy (get out of UK) cannot be obtained any more, so I should think support would dwindle.

Of course you're going to disagree as you're obviously a big SNP fan. We can only wait and see.

[VNA]

Didn't realise it was only six, but the next general election seems so close that 6 could make the difference.

If there's an EU referendum, and the vote is to stay within it, then I think UKIP's vote will collapse because their main policy (get out of EU) cannot be obtained any more. Although the SNP obviously has a more rounded policy set, having been in government an' all, still its main policy (get out of UK) cannot be obtained any more, so I should think support would dwindle.

Of course you're going to disagree as you're obviously a big SNP fan. We can only wait and see.

No I'm not a big fan of the SNP, I'm not a member of the SNP, and at the last general election I voted Labour.

I think the danger for Scotland, if we vote NO, is that we get a Tory government next year, a Tory government that has pledged an IN/OUT referendum on the EU.  Scotland risks not only another Tory government it does not want, but also being dragged out of the EU.  I say NO NO NO to that :eek

YES YES YES 

[The Gentleman Biker]

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[slimwilly]

Well if the rest of them follow a few who say "we will be better off" then let them,,i am sure the yes voters are all fools,,yes fools.


as a united nation all businessess have the same oppertunity to prosper,import,export , and under the UK banner .


Will other countries be as willing to do business with a  NEW state,country, stable,unstable,who knows,, what was wrong with being part of the UK?


Scotland seems to have a bad history of going it alone,,it is not part of the uk for no reason,,check the history books..


Alot of the "yes" voters are racial headlees chicken who don't know the mouth from there arse.


And if they cut loose,,then goodbye, enjoy yourselves.

[fazersharp]

So back to real important stuff, if the Scots go will that mean that the weather forecasts will be quicker as they wont need to bother with Scotland like they don't now with Ireland

[Farjo]

:rollin

You have to be logged in to see an image from that site - all we get is the redX :thumbdown

[The Gentleman Biker]

Oh, balls. Ignore me then :p

[lew600fazer]

Seems to be an idea up in Scotland that they will remain in the EU if the vote is yes. I am sure that will not be the case. Scotland as an independant nation will have to apply for EU membership.
I believe it only takes one member state to block the application?? SPAIN WILL BLOCK THAT APPLICATION!!! 100% there is no way the Spanish will vote them in. Reason Barcelona and the Catalan regions will push even harder to splinter Spain, Madrid will not allow that to happen.

The SNP is going on about reveues from North Sea Oil. Are you actually believing that Scotland will dictate what goes on off the coast of Scotland concerning the resources/reserves of Oil&Gas of the coast. Take a wake pill here, BP & the Oil majors will dictate how much they may decide to pay a Scottish Government for the twindiling reserves off that coast. If you are foolish enough to believe that a Westminster government will give permission for Scotland to own and control the said revenues off thier coast, that will not happen.
Do you YES voters think that England and the rest of the UK will just quietly accept the loss of the wealth that the oil industry from the N Sea generates.

Better together, hope the vote runs close, may put the frighteners on the Westminster government, as in wake up here and spread the jobs and wealth around the rest of the UK.

[VNA]

Look Scotland is currently a member of the EU.  Scotland is fully integrated into the EU.  If Scotland votes YES on Thursday, then on Friday Scotland will still be a member of the EU.  That is a fact.  And I don't think anybody seriously thinks for one minute that the EU will subsequently throw Scotland out of the EU.  It's not gonna happen.

And north sea oil?  Why should Scottish people continue to see this resource squandered by Westminster.  Don't forget that going by what we were told in the 70's it should have run out by now.  But of course thanks to the 30 year rule we know all about those lies, and yes the talk in the Westminster cabinet in the 70's of taking Scotland's oil by force in the event of independence.

Thatcher used Scotland's oil to put four million plus working class people on the dole.  Subsequently it's been squandered in immoral wars in Afghanistan, Libya and an illegal war in Iraq looking for WMD that everybody knew didn't exist.  Of course that's the other thing that Scotland's oil has been squandered on, WMD - Trident, and Scotland's gonna scrap it now.

[lew600fazer]

VNA, Scotland is not a member of the EU, Scotland as part of the UK is a member of the EU, vote to leave the UK and you will be out of the EU. Why have Spanish politicians already stated that they will oppose Scotlands application to become a member of the EU.
Scotland do not own the Oil&Gas in the North Sea. It is British oil and it was the British Government along with the Oil Majors who paid for the exploration and development of the NorthSea, Cast your mind back when Oil was discovered it was BP who found it and at that time BP was solely owned by the British Government. If you think that Westminster will just say okay have the oil we do not care one of us is in for a surprise.

I think there is a message here for the SNP in the attached photo lol

[mickvp]

Just to touch on the whole "EU" thing:

Lew, you have it bang on. Scotland (as a nation) is NOT part of the EU. Scotland is part of the UK, and it is the UK which holds a membership. I've heard the argument about Catalonia using our automatic membership as a precedent for themselves as they are trying for their own independance. It is different though, Scotland is and always has been it's own country, Catalonia is a region OF a country and hence no pre edence is set.

Let's take a practical approach to this problem. Let's say Scotland votes yes, and becomes it's own independent nation. Let's say we apply to join the EU through either article 48 or article 49 and we get refused to join.

This means that overnight - EVERY Scot who is working abroad in another EU country, and every EU member who is working here is Scotland WILL become an illegal immigrant overnight as the EU rules which allow them to migrate through the Euro zone will cease to be in effect.

This is no small minority, we are talking circa 400,000 people from what I have read. I think you will agree that even a small percentage of that would be too much work for any one police force to bear, both here and overseas. It is for this reason I think common sense will prevail and we will be granted entry.