4 degree ignition advancer

[Falcon 269]

ive notice my gen1 is abit snatchy through traffic.is the ignition advancer something anyone can have ago at fitting?

Chain slack correct?

If you try to ride at walking speed without feathering the clutch, it'll likely snatch regardless.

An advancer won't cure this on its own although I won't hurt, either.  As for 'can anyone have a go at fitting?', sure you can.  However, you do need a bit of mechanical savvy and the correct tools to do it right.

'Ivanising' has a positive effect on fuelling throughout the rev range and improves driveability from idle upwards.

[nickodemon]

I fitted the 4 degree advancer to my standard fazer last night (15 mins), and took it to work this morning.It started quicker this morning and i didn't need to open the throttle slightly to get it to fire up.  The differences are the throttle feels more responsive, a definite improvement with vibes on the motorway and it requires less throttle when driving on city streets. I noticed in stock form the bike sometimes bogged down slightly at low revs if you gave it a handful, but with the advancer it pulls cleanly.  It's definitely worth doing either the way Mike has done or to buy one on ebay for £14.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-R1-FAZE...233e7e7c8e

[karlo]

I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.

[nick crisp]

I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.

That's what I'd be looking for. Thing's got plenty enough power for me as it is! Any more and I might as well set fire to my license and get a bus pass  :lol

[nickodemon]

I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.

Where did i say there was a power increase?

[mickvp]

[quote author=karlo link=topic=14249.msg162664#msg162664 date=1407949378]
I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.

Where did i say there was a power increase?
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hey Nick, how easy would you say it is to fit? I assume you can take the required engine cover off without losing the engine oil?

[nickodemon]

Yes mate. Simply unbolt the cover, put bike in gear, stand on rear brake and loosen the 14mm? nut. remove plate and replace with advanced plate. Put 14mm nut back on and tighten. Absolute doddle

[mickvp]

Cheers mate, think I'll fling one on and see what sort of change it makes

[karlo]

[quote author=karlo link=topic=14249.msg162664#msg162664 date=1407949378]
I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.

Where did i say there was a power increase?
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I haven't said you did, I was just stating my opinion?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[nickodemon]

:thumbup

[mickvp]

Well I've got one of these on order now. Hopefully it is here before early next week and I can fling it on and see what sort of difference it makes

[bigbluebear]

Well I've got one of these on order now. Hopefully it is here before early next week and I can fling it on and see what sort of difference it makes

I think I'll wait until mine is "full monty'd" then see if it makes a visible difference and get it dyno'd too....I take it its easy enough to reverse the process if it doesn't suit.

[mickvp]

I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?

[bigbluebear]

I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?

Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.

[PieEater]

Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.

The advancer will rob you of a few BHP, if your peak BHP figure is important to you I'd fit it after you have had some runs with the OEM part. As it literally takes minutes to fit maybe you could take the advancer with you to the testing station and get another set of runs done after fitting, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would be interested in comparing the results.

[mickvp]

Well I got my advancer in this afternoon and popped it on about an hour ago. Initial thoughts are that it has definately smoothed the bottom end of the rev range where I spend most time out. Bike seemed ever so slightly keener to rev. Definately worthwhile for me, as I'm bit fussed about max power or speed and it does seem to give a better ride.

Here's a pic of the panel removed, and of the bolt you need to remove (although if you can't figure that much out, maybe you should get someone else to fit it for you :lol)



and yes... my bloody gasket ripped... had to put some instant gasket on in lieu of a new one coming

[fazer390]

I fitted mine this weekend... It didn't make any differance to the starting, but it has made the engine and throttle response so much smoother.
The downside I found is a slight lack of X factor at the lower end... and it doesn't pop and rumble as much when slowing down off the throttle...
I'll live with it for a while (getting out when the weather dries up a bit). I might change it back; however it does make it feel a bit like a brand new bike at the moment... 

[fireblake]

[quote author=mickvp link=topic=14249.msg163388#msg163388 date=1408524334]
I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?

Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.
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I can't wait to hear about these results. Very interesting


Mickey the moocher, letting others do the work before trying it for himself.

[gixersix]

I got one but ain't fitted it yet. I note in the DIY version, he resorts to the manual in saying always use a new gasket and Yamabond on the grommet, Wallace.


Obviously, I'd rather have all the bits present when I do this, sooooo.... am I REALLY going to need........


1.) a gasket - isn't this "compartment" dry? Has anyone''s gasket come apart when you opened the case? Re-used the gasket?


2.) Yamabond?
i have heard engine builders swear by this stuff, but really - won't a small smear of silicon gasket do the same job?


Looking forward to your prior experience. And yes, I AM a tightwad 

[gixersix]

Oh, and I had my bike dynoed before Mike fitted my Full Monty - 124bhp at the rear wheel.


Not had a chance to re-dyno the bike yet, but was thinking that if the advancer might knock a couple of peak horses off, I should have it dynoed BEFORE the advancer goes on.
that way, I'll know what improvement the Full Monty has made. My seat-of-the-pants dyno says definitely more thrust, but I'd like to see it on paper.


As far as the advancer is concerned, I think I'd trade a couple of peak bhp, for a smoother, more responsive bottom end, and above all, easier starting.


After all, how often do we hit peak horsepower on the road (OK, OK, here it comes........  :rolleyes  )