God, I hate this pile of shite

[ChristoT]

Liam, forget about HDi, for some reason, all the 206s for sale round here are the petrols.

[Slaninar]

I can't see you being able to afford the 2.0 GTi and the 1.1 petrol is false economy - you have to rag it so hard to get anywhere that you lose any MPG gains unless you drive like a nun. You have a heavy right foot, so that puts you firmly at the opposite end of the scale. Also note that the 1.6 HDi has lower MPG and is actually a higher insurance group compared the the 2.0 HDi, which makes no sense...

I get around 6.5 l in the city per 100 km on 1.1 106 peugeot. It is a light little car. However, a 206 sized car is heavy and a 1.1 engine just sucks and uses a lot of fuel. For real economy one needs a smaller car. Or a bicycle.

[mickvp]

Christo, can I hask why you have narrowed your choice to the 206 specifically? Wouldnt it be better to keep your field of possible cars as wide as possible, and then narrow it down based on economy and insurance options as cars come up locally for the right sort of £££?

The reason being, you may find a car you never thought of crop up on Gumtree today/tomorrow which fits the bill perfectly for you, but by looking specifically at 206's, you will miss it altogether. Just my tuppence worth.

The reason for me suggestin it, is when I was still serving my time and strapped for cash, I actually ended up in a Rover 620 diesel for this very reason (the 600 is barge like in size and handling). It was a massive big car, but it ran and ran, was economical, easy to work on, and because its not a common "young guy" car, insurance was well cheap. keep your options open matey, honestly

[ChristoT]

I thought the same, until I checked a Rover 45 saloon!

I'm looking at 206s because I know they're ball park affordable, reasonably comfy for my 6'3" bod, and they're are a few around me! Not blinkering myself to 'em though, fear not!

[rustyrider]

The 1.4 Peugeot petrol engine is nigh on bulletproof as long as the cam belt is changed.  I bought a 1.4 306 for my daughter as her first car and it ran forever despite her having raced karts from the age of 11 so treated everything else on the road as a competitor that must be overtaken at all costs.  There's a coolant hose at the back of the engine that gets oil on it so goes all soft and squidgy which will burst at the most inappropriate time and they weep oil out of the front right corner of the head gasket (but will do that forever and isn't a reason to change the head gasket as you seem to feel that is beyond you).

But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again? 

[Slaninar]

Christo, can I hask why you have narrowed your choice to the 206 specifically? Wouldnt it be better to keep your field of possible cars as wide as possible, and then narrow it down based on economy and insurance options as cars come up locally for the right sort of £££?

The reason being, you may find a car you never thought of crop up on Gumtree today/tomorrow which fits the bill perfectly for you, but by looking specifically at 206's, you will miss it altogether. Just my tuppence worth.

The reason for me suggestin it, is when I was still serving my time and strapped for cash, I actually ended up in a Rover 620 diesel for this very reason (the 600 is barge like in size and handling). It was a massive big car, but it ran and ran, was economical, easy to work on, and because its not a common "young guy" car, insurance was well cheap. keep your options open matey, honestly

Biggest part of vehicle maintenance is fuel and tyre costs. They exceed most other things after enough miles. So smaller cars ARE cheaper to run. Unless you can re-sell cars well: buy them cheap and sell them on after 6 to 12 months.

[NorthWestern]

I had a Citroen ZX that was bombproof and so shite it was actually fun.


I once ended up going through a flooded road [unwittingly following a Range Rover that decided to come to a halt at the deepest point - sending a wake of water that went up my windscreen]  that was so deep the thing was bobbing, it sucked in water etc.  After dragging it out and getting the water out of the flooded cylinders it fired up and ran like a charm (after 5 mins of clearing its throat).


Never smelled the same though.....

[ChristoT]

But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again?

Giving up.

Never really wanted to repair the 106, and arguing with my parents ain't worth the bother. Which means I've got all this to look forward to at the beginning of next year at Uni.  :rolleyes

[Dead Eye]

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I can't see you being able to afford the 2.0 GTi and the 1.1 petrol is false economy - you have to rag it so hard to get anywhere that you lose any MPG gains unless you drive like a nun. You have a heavy right foot, so that puts you firmly at the opposite end of the scale. Also note that the 1.6 HDi has lower MPG and is actually a higher insurance group compared the the 2.0 HDi, which makes no sense...

I get around 6.5 l in the city per 100 km on 1.1 106 peugeot. It is a light little car. However, a 206 sized car is heavy and a 1.1 engine just sucks and uses a lot of fuel. For real economy one needs a smaller car. Or a bicycle.
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Oh I totally agree, it wasn't a generic statement about 1.1 engines, my remarks were specific to the 206

The 1.4 Peugeot petrol engine is nigh on bulletproof as long as the cam belt is changed.  I bought a 1.4 306 for my daughter as her first car and it ran forever despite her having raced karts from the age of 11 so treated everything else on the road as a competitor that must be overtaken at all costs.  There's a coolant hose at the back of the engine that gets oil on it so goes all soft and squidgy which will burst at the most inappropriate time and they weep oil out of the front right corner of the head gasket (but will do that forever and isn't a reason to change the head gasket as you seem to feel that is beyond you).

But what has caused the sudden change from not wanting to repair the 106, not wanting a car and wanting to get the bike thrown back together again? 

Is the 1.4 in the 306 the same as the 206? As far as I was aware the 206 had a new line-up of engines as it replaced the older 306. I had a 306 as well, 1.9L Diesel (no Turbo) and it was a great run around car but because of its weight it just couldn't accelerate as fast as the 1.5L Diesel 106 - it cruised much better though

I thought the same, until I checked a Rover 45 saloon!

A 45 Saloon is not the same thing at all compared to a 620. The 45's were budget cars and fairly common which means people crashed them a lot

For example, I was looking at insurance on BMWs - the 3 series and 5 series between 1980~ to 2000~

The oldest, smallest car (an E30 318i) was the most expensive to insure despite having a relatively average 1.8L engine. However, the 4.4L V8 in the E39 540i was half the cost and the second cheapest despite being a larger, younger car with almost 3x the power

In fact, it would cost less for me to insure that 540i with 0 no claims bonus than it is to currently insure my 2.5L V6 MG ZS which is essentially a Rover 45 remember - it has the same engine

[midden]

car paid for u and uni fees paid and an allowance, man i feel your pain aint life a bitch at times ey  :rolleyes

In that situation I'd have to stop being a prat and give up uni 

[Millietant]

ChrisTo - have you looked at Nissan Micra's !

Seriously, they're not cool, but as cheap ultra-reliable and economical cars they're impossible to beat.

My brother had a 1.0 litre Micra S (a 1997 version) that he didn't even change (or top up) the oil on for nigh on 40k miles - and it ran like a Swiss watch (especially when it hit 100k miles of being ragged stupid and he changed the oil). Before the Micra he'd had a Corolla GTI 16v, a Golf GTI and then a BMW M3 - so you can bet that Micra got punished. When the Micra reached 120k miles he part ex'd for a 2002 model and the ragged that senseless until he settled down and sold it - to buy a twin turbo Audi S4.

As a result, we bought our eldest a Micra (new, it's a long story) for his 18th birthday. Now, he's a mechanical numpty (doesn't know what or where a dipstick is - except it's him), but that car has done 100k of totally trouble free miles in 6 1/2 years AND still runs like a dream. I drove it back from a valet (we were going to sell it because he's off to Thailand for 14 months) and I couldn't believe how smooth, tight and "together" it felt - better than our youngest's Clio which only had 16k miles on it.

I'd recommend them totally - My missus used to work in the OE car parts business (supplying engine components) and reckoned Nissan quality control on parts was the dogs bollocks - and Peugeot's was "shite" - another reason we've bought Nissan in the past.

[ChristoT]

Hi Millietant,

Micras were surprisingly expensive on the insurance, and because I'm a big lad (6'3"), I was worried about fitting in it - I struggled with the 106!

All sorted now thou, got a very tidy Peugeot 206 1.4. And am a happy bunny. 


(Well, as happy as I can be in a cage, I guess.  :rolleyes )

[Millietant]

Glad you're happy - our eldest is 6'3" too and near 16st in weight (he was a semi-pro Wrestler, a big lad) and we found the Micra insurance the cheapest, through Admiral.


But, as long as you're sorted, that's all that matters. 

[HarryHornby]

So, who paid for the car in the end, and how much was it?

[rustyrider]

So now you don't have to get it done to rely on it getting you to work, you've got the chance to do some proper engineering and fix the 106.  Or are you going to be like some of the 'engineers' we've got at our place?  Sit behind a desk all day, BSc, CEng after their name but no practical experience or aptitude whatsoever.  The mark of an engineer is that he wants to take everything to bits whether it needs it or not, just to see how it goes together......

[unfazed]

So you have gone from a small pile of shite (106) to a bigger pile of shite (206).  :lol Fair play to you, you are working your way up to the top of the shite pile  :rollin :rollin

[Dave48]

Peugeots-Its a French thing! The only exciting one I remember driving was the 205 GTi but even that belonged to someone else! Was driving a works 205 van years ago and the gear lever decided it would only select 1st & 5th gears! It was a diesel & I nursed it back from Nottingham to Brum. Anyone remember Simcas & Renault Dauphines? Wouldnt touch a French car at any price! My mate has an 03 Renault Clio and thats unspeakably bad!
So what you going to do now Christo? Scrap or repair the 106?

[midden]

THE DECISION...........IS YOURS

[Millietant]

Oh yeah...... The Renault Dauphine, we had one when I was about 6 or 7, I remember thinking it was a good car until we got our new Morris Traveller. Wow, that car had wood bits stuck on the sides, how cool was that.


Then, in the early 70's, we got a Simca 1301 estate car. That was awesome. First car I'd ever been in where I saw the speedo indicate 100mph (down a long hill!!). The rear "tailgate" hinged at the bottom (bit like a Range Rover) and the glass could be wound down (like a side window) inside the tailgate. Made the car great for picnics - and also great for getting carbon monoxide poisoning in the summer, when my dad would drive around with tailgate window wound right down, open (right above the exhaust) - Maaan, in those days we really did love the smell of exhaust fumes. Maybe explains a lot about the way I turned out 

[slimwilly]

car paid for u and uni fees paid and an allowance, man i feel your pain aint life a bitch at times ey  :rolleyes

:lol :lol


You sure are not in the real world,,good old mummy and daddy