Cyclists......tut tut tut

[Grahamm]

I'd be happy if people could be re-educated on simply walking across a road without creating some sort of dangerous situation.

By co-incidence, I've just read a piece in the latest IAM Magazine about this.

Aardman Animations (the people behind Wallace and Grommit) have joined up with the RAC to launch a new road safety character for kids (like the old Tufty Club) but what they're doing is getting the kids to do the design work to make it appeal to kids and avoid the sort of dreadfully patronising campaigns that well meaning (but clueless) adults have come up with in the past.

See http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/3445.html

[Grahamm]

Surely Red traffic lights apply to ALL road users.

They do and at *all* times, ie even if it's the middle of the night and the streets are empty and the lights on the pedestrian crossing ahead have decided to change to red of their own volition simply to relieve the monotony.

[mr self destruct]

Unfortunately this situation is inevitable when you have a vehicle you can buy and use on the road without any form of training, licensing or insurance.
You've got to differentiate between responsible cyclists (you know the type, lights, helmet, has actually heard of the highway code) and the average Joe Prick that walks into Halfords, buys a bike, and gets straight into it in the middle of rush hour.

[darrsi]

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I'd be happy if people could be re-educated on simply walking across a road without creating some sort of dangerous situation.

By co-incidence, I've just read a piece in the latest IAM Magazine about this.

Aardman Animations (the people behind Wallace and Grommit) have joined up with the RAC to launch a new road safety character for kids (like the old Tufty Club) but what they're doing is getting the kids to do the design work to make it appeal to kids and avoid the sort of dreadfully patronising campaigns that well meaning (but clueless) adults have come up with in the past.

See http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/3445.html
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Anything to do with road safety that can also get kids interested is always a good thing, because it effects everyone.
I'm from the era of the Green Cross Code but it still sticks in my head even now, so it does set you up for life when you're taught from a young age.

[Simon.Pieman]

About an hour ago I walked across this very junction, no traffic lights, no traffic rules and thankfully lorries are banned in Hanoi. A keen sense of spatial awareness and showing consideration for others is the secret of using the city roads here, plus pedestrians and cyclists always have right of way over engine power. It works.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwJnW0k6nU

[darrsi]

About an hour ago I walked across this very junction, no traffic lights, no traffic rules and thankfully lorries are banned in Hanoi. A keen sense of spatial awareness and showing consideration for others is the secret of using the city roads here, plus pedestrians and cyclists always have right of way over engine power. It works.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwJnW0k6nU

You CANNOT tell me that accidents don't happen right there where there is no coordination at all?
People manage to walk into each other at the best of times, but that's just chaos where vehicles are concerned!

[Simon.Pieman]

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwJnW0k6nU

You CANNOT tell me that accidents don't happen right there where there is no coordination at all?
People manage to walk into each other at the best of times, but that's just chaos where vehicles are concerned!
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I didn't say that accidents don't happen here, they do. But this is a very crowded city, lights at this junction would cause gridlock for sure. Needs must is the rule, people cope because they have to.

[darrsi]

The more i watch it the crazier it gets.  :eek


What is the road made out of, it's super smooth?

[Simon.Pieman]

The more i watch it the crazier it gets.  :eek


What is the road made out of, it's super smooth?

Ordinary tarmac. It's smooth because all the electrical cables and other services are above ground, and the drainage mostly under the pavement and buildings so they never have to dig up the roads. Occasionally they dig up a bit of pavement to get at a sewer buts that's all the works you'll see.

[paulkemp]

Cycling???? Is that for people who can't afford a motorcycle?

[peterjca]

No not all red lights and to do it safely you need to know the lights - this will be from being there every single day at the same time of day.

I don't condone jumping red lights at all. If you think it's Ok for cyclists to do it then presumbly you'd also welcome bikers and car drivers jumping them too.

If you think you must jump a red light to feel safer then may I suggest that you give up cycling as you're a danger to others and yourself.

[esetest]

There are plenty of car drivers who run red lights , there will allways be a minority of assholes who spoil it for the majority, and no amount of training or laws will change that , there are plenty of  assholes out there who think that laws and rules and good manners are for other people .
Although sooner or later if you will run a red light your luck will run out , natural selection methinks .

[darrsi]

There are plenty of car drivers who run red lights , there will allways be a minority of assholes who spoil it for the majority, and no amount of training or laws will change that , there are plenty of  assholes out there who think that laws and rules and good manners are for other people .
Although sooner or later if you will run a red light your luck will run out , natural selection methinks .

It's just the fact that some other poor sod will have to suffer because of their selfish actions that annoys me.

[midden]

This bloke has become my number1 Foccin hero.  It  grips my turd balls seeing adults riding on pavements deserted or not let alone using the mobile while doing so.

As for traffic lights you don't want to wait then dismount and walk across. Cyclists have as much duty as any other road user to abide by traffic laws and follow the highway code. 

[esetest]

Selfish actions annoy me to , like my asshole neighbours , who seem to think that everybody wants to hear there fucking music , which is vibrating my fucking walls at the moment .

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There are plenty of car drivers who run red lights , there will allways be a minority of assholes who spoil it for the majority, and no amount of training or laws will change that , there are plenty of  assholes out there who think that laws and rules and good manners are for other people .
Although sooner or later if you will run a red light your luck will run out , natural selection methinks .

It's just the fact that some other poor sod will have to suffer because of their selfish actions that annoys me.
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[mr self destruct]

There are plenty of car drivers who run red lights , there will allways be a minority of assholes who spoil it for the majority, and no amount of training or laws will change that , there are plenty of  assholes out there who think that laws and rules and good manners are for other people .
Although sooner or later if you will run a red light your luck will run out , natural selection methinks .

With cyclists the reverse is true. It's the majority of arseholes spoiling it for the minority.  :\

[Grahamm]

About an hour ago I walked across this very junction, no traffic lights, no traffic rules and thankfully lorries are banned in Hanoi. A keen sense of spatial awareness and showing consideration for others is the secret of using the city roads here, plus pedestrians and cyclists always have right of way over engine power. It works.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwJnW0k6nU

Blimey that looks insane!!

[Grahamm]

With cyclists the reverse is true. It's the majority of arseholes spoiling it for the minority.  :\

Bollocks. Most cyclists I see are sensible and responsible, but you don't notice them so much because they don't interefere with your progress.

[Simon.Pieman]

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About an hour ago I walked across this very junction, no traffic lights, no traffic rules and thankfully lorries are banned in Hanoi. A keen sense of spatial awareness and showing consideration for others is the secret of using the city roads here, plus pedestrians and cyclists always have right of way over engine power. It works.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwJnW0k6nU

Blimey that looks insane!!
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The only country in the world where you don't need to do lifesavers. Watch the peoples heads, they are well aware of other traffic, they don't need to look. It's great fun riding in Hanoi traffic.

[mr self destruct]

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With cyclists the reverse is true. It's the majority of arseholes spoiling it for the minority.  :\

Bollocks. Most cyclists I see are sensible and responsible, but you don't notice them so much because they don't interefere with your progress.
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Not bollocks. Most cyclists I see aren't sensible or responsible. They're either schoolkids with no road sense or people going to work before dawn with no lights or helmets, jumping on and off kerbs, ignoring traffic lights/signs. When I do see a cyclist riding responsibly, believe me, I notice.