Project Fazer: The build thread

[ChristoT]

In about 8 days' time, I will. Hopefully will start engine work later this week.

[noggythenog]

Christo...i'm with Red here....we need pics.




Show us pics




We dont do words.....if i wanna read a book i'll go to the Library.


:useless 






Pics of you actually working you layabout......even Exup has more photo proof of working on his bike than you! :eek




The Mr Men aint popular because of their storylines!

[bozboz]

I say go for it mate! Thanks for the shout out too, probably got a few more bits you might be interested in so let me know if you come up short!
Projects for me have always been a great way of spending time with the other half away from those pesky things that get in the way like work and GFs lol!
Hes got time on his hands and wants a bike again, as long as he doesnt want to powdercoat every little piece straight away and buy every bolt in titanium then the cost wont be too high. 1 offs can be expensive and time consuming, as for me my longest term project is now over 6years old! A little time spent every now and then slowly taking shape for the time when I have kids and probably have to sell it! But I will sell it when its finished damn it!
As for insurance, try carole nash, very forgiving with mods (last time I had a very modded ntv)

Best of luck ChristoT keep those pictures coming!!!!

[ChristoT]

You see before you a happy foccer. There's a chance (albeit very slim) that I may get out on the bike this season!! 

I had a play on GoCompare this evening. If ALL I DO is replace the swingarm, the underseat exhaust, and possibly the R1 tail fairing, and with my landlord as a named rider.... a year's insurance on Project Fazer is "only" £613. I may even be able to get that down if I can add more experienced riders to the policy!

Not to mention that the insurance might finally have sorted itself out by then....  :rolleyes

The better news is that all I need, I either already have or can get (like the R1 tail fairing) locally. Once the engine is done - sorry, looks like that's not starting till next week now - I'll have the basis for a road worthy machine.

Stay tuned! Hopefully, I'll be able to retrieve the chassis on Sunday afternoon, depending what time my parents leave, then let the fettling begin!  :lol :lol

[mtread]

I don't quite understand this 'declaration' business. If you have a car, and the exhaust goes, you go to Kwikfit and they replace with a cheaper non-OEM part. Same if your suspension wears out. Nobody thinks whether they perform slightly better or are lighter than the originals.
What's the difference with the equivalent bike parts ? I've swapped both on mine because the old ones were knackered, and I wasn't going to pay OEM prices. OK they may make a slight difference to standard, but they are not 'race parts'. Why should I have to declare for replacement parts?

[ChristoT]

This was a point made before (can't remember where) that if the part was equivalent, it was OK, didn't need declaring.

I will *have* to declare my mods, as the swingarm does not ressemble standard, nor does the tail fairing or exhaust.

I I sympathise (if it makes insurance cheaper!!  :b )

[midden]

I've always seen declarable as being mods which are purposely made to  1.Enhance performance  (increasing accident risk)  2. Enhance looks/desirability (higher theft risk)


On the latter I think declaring much depends on whether you want to claim or not for that expensive Viper Harman Kardon sound system once it gets nicked

[rustyrider]

Seems like Christo is going to be hammered on insurance for the accident risk, not because he's making it go faster, merely because he's riding it, and get a discount because of the other mods.  I mean, if you make it look pretty it's going to be more attractive to someone who wants to nick it, if you make it look like a dogs dinner, nobody will want to touch it.....

But I'm biased, I don't like single sided swingarms, they look just wrong, I don't like underseat exhausts as they make the bike taller (or try to set fire to your pillions arse) and I think Angel Eye lights look just plain stupid.

[rustyrider]

OK folks, wait for more updates.  I've got my shed back......  (and Christo managed to get his Fazer in the back of his shed)



I donated the ratchet strap rather than see him using a length of string......

[unfazed]

Nice, the way he bought it to match the colour of the 106  :lol

[red98]

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "  :rolleyes

[ChristoT]

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "  :rolleyes

Does anticipation not count?  :lol :lol

Thanks Rusty, for all the help! Got back safely, and the bike is now under a tarp in the back garden/patio. Thanks! 

[Dead Eye]

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "  :rolleyes

After the 80 pages of your stutter thread?

[ChristoT]

Today, I got (some) shit done!

I decided today to have a crack at the single sided swingarm. Out with the spanners!

There hasn't been a pic of the bike up yet, so here are a few:
[smg id=1744 type=preview align=center caption="Project Fazer donor bike 1"]
[smg id=1745 type=preview align=center caption="Project Fazer donor bike 2"]

So, after a bit of a battle, I fought off the stock swingarm:
[smg id=1746 type=preview align=center caption="Fazer swingarm"]

And compared it to the Honda:
[smg id=1747 type=preview align=center caption="Bros swingarm"]

A first glance, it looks like the Bros arm may be slightly longer!

It's certainly narrower, though.  It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to meaqsure more accurately. Bollocks, that's going to be something ELSE to do before I can fit the Bros arm. As I was fiddling about, I also noticed the swingarm came a bit close to the left hand footrest, so I'll have to keep an eye on that during the build

I then had a look at suspension. The Bros uses direct suspension, and the Fazer (as we all know) has a linkage. Due to the position of the shock mount on the frame, I cannot use direct suspension, which means I'm going to have to find a way of fixing linkages to the Bros. I'll probably use the Fazer shock as it's shorter.

[smg id=1748 type=preview align=center caption="Fazer and Bros shocks"]

I then noticed that the Fazer shock looked a wee bit weird: certainly not the same as the one I had on my 2001 bike!

Can anyone identify it for me?

[smg id=1749 type=preview align=center caption="Fazer shock"]

I'll hopefully get some more work in tomorrow. 

[rustyrider]

It's certainly narrower, though.  It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to measure more accurately.

You didn't honestly expect them to be a straight swap did you?  I bet the chain run won't line up either.

But, as I told you, I think you are bonkers for even considering it......

[ChristoT]

[quote author=ChristoT link=topic=11731.msg132720#msg132720 date=1394306157]It's certainly narrower, though.  It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to measure more accurately.

You didn't honestly expect them to be a straight swap did you?  I bet the chain run won't line up either.

But, as I told you, I think you are bonkers for even considering it......
[/quote]

I was expecting the spacers and the suspension, but not the bearing diameter.

Not sure about the chain, but expecting to have to adjust it.

[rustyrider]

What makes you think two different manufacturers would use the same sized bearings? 

I'm not talking about simply adjusting the chain, I'm talking about getting the chain run to line up with the engine sprocket.  I'll bet anything you like that the distance between the wheel centreline and the sprocket will be different.  How will you deal with that?  Fit the engine lopsided in the frame?  Have a wheel offset one side or the other to the rest of the bike?  Spacers behind the sprocket?

I still can't see what you hope to achieve.  The Fazer is well known for it's handling so you are going to screw that up by fitting a longer swingarm?  Why?

[ChristoT]

Spacers behind the engine sprocket, maybe.

The swingarm is only about 20mm longer, so it shouldn't have a great effect. If anything, the narrower wheel will make it turn in faster, which I like.

[Dead Eye]

He's a crazy french-man... before too long he'll be waving a white flag in his garage  :evil

Having said that, he is also stubborn and illogical....

[ChristoT]

He's a crazy french-man... before too long he'll be waving a white flag in his garage  :evil

Having said that, he is also stubborn and illogical....

I don't have a garage or a white flag...

Give me a garage, and I'll happily wave my massive Breton flag though!  :lol

When Liam says "stubborn and illogical", he means "tenacious, and an unappreciated genius". Don't you?  :rollin :rollin