What is going on?

[slimwilly]

Is there a press hush order ?


https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...are-there/

[JoeRock]

Is there a press hush order ?


https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...are-there/

Well that definitely doesn't look like an unbiased source!

Funny how you don't often read the stories on the other way around either, like the elderly Muslim man who was hacked to death with a machete in Birmingham by a couple of white lads a couple weeks back.

[mtread]

Is there a press hush order ?

No, it's just lying twisted racist propaganda 

[Lawrence]

Firstly, it's no a beheading.  Secondly, what has the fact he was a muslim got to do with it?  It was probably a burglary gone wrong or something like that.

[adeejaysdelight]

If a Christian did it, would the headline read "Christian beheads elderly man"? No, me thinks not.

[noggythenog]

Hmm, an interesting one, a hideous crime regardless of who did it & whilst im sure anyone is capable of violence, even Christians :eek ..........
lets be honest with ourselves, throat cutting is pretty much associated with islamic extremists isnt it & i think slim has made an educated assumption here & ok like watching some dodgy CSI series the most obvious answer isnt always the case i would suggest that in most cases the obvious assumption is the truth.
dress it up as you like and put some pretty nipple tassles on it but it sounds pretty focin suspicious to me! , gotta say though the website also looks a little suspect.

[ChristoT]

If a Christian did it, would the headline read "Christian beheads elderly man"? No, me thinks not.

Don't bet on it. The press hates us at the moment - especially Catholics (not an excuse to start an anti catholic flame, please), any chance to smear us will gleefully leaped on by the press.

Last time I looked, Christians hadn't blown up planes, trains (the IRA were acting on political, not religious reasons - just sayin') or buildings. They hadn't tried to threaten the civilised world with terror. And they aren't trying to impose a form of brutal law (as many Muslims would like to with Sharia).

[jon]

Last time I looked, Christians hadn't blown up planes, trains...

Um, just playing devils advocate here, but I believe that in afganistan 'christians' (or soldiers fighting under a christian ruler - blair, obama etc) have blown up all sorts of shit... villages, hospitals, schools.

Just sayin.

[ChristoT]

Last time I looked, Christians hadn't blown up planes, trains...

Um, just playing devils advocate here, but I believe that in afganistan 'christians' (or soldiers fighting under a christian ruler - blair, obama etc) have blown up all sorts of shit... villages, hospitals, schools.

Just sayin.

True. but that's the joy of politics for you. Those Christians (as many soldiers undoubtably are) are following political orders, not doing it out of religious motivation. Blair's christianity extended to about the "h" of the word when he wrote it on the last census. And many Americans are getting very angry at how pro-Muslim Obama is. Their motivation for being in Afghanistan is not religious either, but political and financial.

If the West had a religious Crusade type war against the Muslims, then there would be a very, very large crater where Iran is. Or where ever the planes were when they ran out of fuel, seeing as the Muslims wouldn't sell oil to us if we were bombing them.

Back to your point though: Do those Christian soliders yell: "God is great!", or similar phrases when carrying out orders? Do Islamic terrorists?

I think not.

[Simon.Pieman]

Last time I looked, Christians hadn't blown up planes, trains (the IRA were acting on political, not religious reasons - just sayin') or buildings. They hadn't tried to threaten the civilised world with terror. And they aren't trying to impose a form of brutal law (as many Muslims would like to with Sharia).

Except for the small matter of a few hundred years of burning heretics and of course the crusades against islam. It would be fair to say that you christians started it.
I'm not a religious person although I do occasionally attend the local Quaker house to hear some views. You don't need a God to do good things and live a virtuous life. So why invent and worship one?
Power.

[Lawrence]

If a Christian did it, would the headline read "Christian beheads elderly man"? No, me thinks not.

Probably, if it was a website written by racist muslims called 'The Christian Issue'

[bri h]

Its hard to tell fact from fiction on these web sites. Whether its true or not its succeeding in stiring up shit among people that would get along well if there was no religion. Anyway if god exists why did he make me an atheist. Youve only got to look at the world and see how much wrong there is. I would never worship any god that says its a good idea to kill and maime.Rant over.

[ChristoT]

you christians started it.

I was expecting a post like this.

At no point did I claim that Christians were perfect - we aren't, not by a long shot.

However, that's no excuse for the current attack on Western society the Muslims are inflicting on us now. It's not about Islam attacking Christianity (hell, even today's society does that), but Islam attacking our society through acts of terror - a different ball game.

As for the racism point Lawrence made - in Saudi, Iran and other very Muslim countries, the mere possession of a bible is a crime. There are people on Death Row in Pakistan - for being Christian. Do we give Muslims that kind of treatment here? No we don't. I think a little bit of anger and resentment against those who refuse  - violently - to integrate into our society is understandable, if not desirable.

As for bri h's point - I can tell you don't like religion in general, fair enough. I would argue that even without religion, there would still be nutters trying to stir things up. I heavily doubt people "would all get along without religion". Rant over.

[bri h]

Hello chris, of couse your right some people dont need religion to be arseholes. But whether its convenience or something else religion is the biggest cause of conflict in my lifetime. The reason that northern Ireland had "politcal" conflict was because catholics were not treated the same as protestants. however well qualified or skilled a protestant would allways get the better jobs ahead of a catholic.I think you know better than me but im sure some of the problems go back as far as cromwells protestants mistreating catholics and im sure visa versa. Either way without religion extremeists would have to work a bit harder to stir up trouble. New rant just begun.

[JZS 600]

Ever read a book called Vatican Holocaust?

[Lazarus]

As for bri h's point - I can tell you don't like religion in general, fair enough. I would argue that even without religion, there would still be nutters trying to stir things up. I heavily doubt people "would all get along without religion". Rant over.

Bingo!!


these wars arent started because of religion - they are started by fucked up, over zealous twats who want to hang a reason on their psychopathy so they play the religion card.


It doesnt say anything in the Koran about murdering / killing but overzealous zealots manipulate others in believing thats the way forward.


Best quote I've heard :


"If your religion is worth killing for, then please start with yourself"


**NB - the Koran reference above used only as an example - im quite aware that just about every other religion has its fucked up followers.

[bri h]

Here here.

[JZS 600]

I love religions but I couldn't eat a whole one...

[Slaninar]

From what I've read, muslims were much more advanced in terms of science, medicine etc. in the middle ages. When the crusades had started, christians were the real barbarians.

After several centuries of fighting, muslims had to embrace the Seldzuk Turk leaders, the most backward and savage of them, to unite them and fight the christian trying ot occuppy them. But in doing so, they became more militant.

Sorry for bad English, perhaps a history teacher can explain that better. Perhaps my impression is wrong.



As far as religion goes, If all the people claiming they are religious really respected and lived what the holy books tell them to live, there would be no need for police, courts, armies. My country has a vast majority of Orthodox Christians. I see "christians" robbing, shooting, killing each other on daily bases. Looking at UK crime rates, it is not much different (I'm sure not all the robbers are muslims).



My grandfather fought Germans in the WW2. He never haded them.

My city was bombed by the US, UK and few other "allies" in 1999. Mom crossed bridge near our home some minutes before it was blown up. Those were the longest 10 minutes of my life. My country didn't attack US, or the UK. I don't hate anyone, but there are people who do. Not many muslims in Serbia.

Some people had their families killed, houses destroyed, by some far away countries, across the sea - from aeroplanes -you couldn't even see an enemy soldier. In such circumstances, terrorism is the only way to fight. I don't support, don't practice it, but i UNDERSTAND it.  If you judge terrorists, you must also judge the UK and US soldiers - they go to foreign countries - that is attack, occupation, no matter how you sugar-coat it.


I'm a communist and think all the religions and nations are shit.

[JZS 600]

Well said, I've got some mates from Serbia and Montenegro