silly season,its started

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

Now put 'em away, I'm getting a stiffy

[ponkster]

In a strange turn that may twist your melon man - I do wear protective gear - but out of choice not out of legal or moral obligation.

[pitternator]

Its allright spouting off about ones freedom to wear what they like....but riding a bike is dangerous . Full stop.Theres no fecking kidology here...its fecking inherantly and empiracally proven to be  dangerous, and there is a very high likelihood of getting seriously injured through no fault of yer own, let alone courting disaster by riding so inappropriately. IF somebody decides they wont wear appropriate clothing , then tbh why should the nhs bother with them ? You want to opt out , take a very conscious decision to flip the finger at common sense. Then to my thinking , you really start to waive your right to free expensive health care.
Lets get off this ridiculous " revolutionary " bandwagon and just get real.

I have crashed very badly indeed in my lifetime and am only here because of leathers and other protective clothing ....FFs wake up and smell the coffee...and take some personal responsibility , which seems so sadly lacking in modern society.Why should someone else bail you out cos of a stupid viewpoint on " freedom of choice". To live in society we all have to take our own lives responsibly, and ideally should be looking out for the needs of others too. If we all did this, there would be far fewer " accidents" and the awful consequences for other poor sods to deal with. !...I really do pity the poor health service workers who have to clear up the mess because of what is in my mind complete selfishness on the part of fools.

And before anyone says anything , its my personal opinion, and I am entitled to have it !

[VNA]

If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway. The truth is that a small off will put you in the hospital if you have no protective clothing, why wouldn't you wear it?

I mean why not just ban bikes, everybody knows cars are safer.

They day they make protective clothing compulsory (with the exception of hats) is the day I'm up for the under pants and hat go slow through our cities.

[Streetbudgie]

I think you should be made to wear a helmet whilst driving a car, not everyone, just you.it will minimise your chance of injury in a crash.

Bit sad that you can't respond sensibly, I rest my case on my opinion regarding your idiocy.

[bri h]

Is this a good time to mention it costs the nhs 5 grand for some old trouts boob job?

[noggythenog]

[quote author=noggythenog link=topic=7663.msg74318#msg74318 date=1367936202] I think you should be made to wear a helmet whilst driving a car, not everyone, just you.it will minimise your chance of injury in a crash.

Bit sad that you can't respond sensibly, I rest my case on my opinion regarding your idiocy.
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[Streetbudgie]

[quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=7663.msg74316#msg74316 date=1367935502]
Some bikers are known as organ donors, most are not as they wear the right gear and minimize their risk, a broken leg isn't always avoidable, but the queue of morons in front of you in A&E waiting for skin abrasions to be patched up is.
Why does everyone keep going on about leather, all my gear is textile and CE approved as good as leather or better, none of it cost a fortune.

  Quote from: Streetbudgie on Today at 12:38:22 PM <blockquote> Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:

It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.





Methinks that will be why.




The reason I mentioned the global aspect is due to the fact that everything we do is affecting a whole lot more people than we would like to admit and by our buying it we contribute to the suffering. To cherry pick a biker with no textiles or leathers and say about all those people who would be affected is somewhat iffy if you have gold blend or pepsi in the cupboard.


So....fat bastards?


Where are we drawing the line then and who makes your list or worthy and unworthy, indeed, what is the criteria?


There's plenty of fat bastards around here, take thy judgement to them. No doubt you are friendly with some. Will you be vehemently insisting that they change their lifestyle to suit your ideal of a perfect NHS and vision of what it is there for? "Bacon? Get out of here, we only admit celery munchers at this establishment!!!"
Many of us are considered overweight and its as a result

Do you call someone an idiot for not having textile and CE armour on their trouser/shoes or whatever?

Like i say, I don't disagree with much of what you say, however i must question the way in which you say it. Apologies if this is antagonistic but you've came across very bitter here and I'm not sure its warranted</blockquote>
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I'm confused, are you questioning my choice to wear textiles which perform as good as or better than leather? Not sure why you would as I'm choosing to protect myself properly.

The global aspect does not apply, this isn't cherry picking issues, this is something that is a drain on the NHS and life affecting that can easily be avoided simply by wearing the right kit - I can't do anything about global markets and huge companies that poison this planet other than choose to avoid them, but I can use this forum to get my point across and if one person thinks 'you know what, I don't want to see my wife and kids crying in A&E cos I've got no face left' then I have done something.

My point about fat bastards, old people etc was exactly that - the poster suggested that bikers were more entitled to NHS treatment than others who he figures somehow will have paid less in - my point was showing where do you stop, why not ban fat people, old people etc - surprised I needed to explain that really.

I'm not bitter, I just do not understand why people argue against what is clearly common sense, I also don't care about expressing myself on here as I feel, if someone tells me they ride in t shirts and shorts then I reserve the right to call them a selfish twonk, because they are.

[dBfazer600]

Is this a good time to mention it costs the nhs 5 grand for some old trouts boob job?

Nothing wrong with air bags. There are plenty about and you can now even get a jacket full of em. A perverts heaven  :rollin

Daz

[bri h]

Haha and they only deploy when you need them.

[noggythenog]

Streetbudgie you misinterpret what i write.


I was trying to get the point across that bikers deserve treatment as much as everyone else, my use of spongers as an example was supposed to highlight this ie general wasters, smoking,drinking,taking drugs,never excercising & never ever working or paying in.


I wasnt trying to say that bikers deserve treatment more.but generally speaking i believe they are deserving.like as in generally speaking anyone who drives a suzuki wagon-r car has generally got to be treated with caution on the roads tegardless of whether michael schumacher has one.


What is really sad is that you feel the need to personally insult someone who youve never met, crossing the thin line between debate/argument & being insulting & because of that youve gone down in my estimation, not that i would expect you to care & to be fair why should you.


Most of my family still do or have worked in the emergency services or HM forces so i know fine well about the tragedy involved without you telling me about it.


I disagree with people not fitting or taking out the batterys on their smoke detectors, it's dangerous.but im not about to call them a dickhead as that probably wont help whatsoever.

[Streetbudgie]

So if you have family who work in emergency services why do you think it is ok to ride in a t shirt and shorts and not consider the consequences? Surely they have told you what happens?

You may say you are aware of the risks but perhaps your family can tell you about the other consequences, crying kids, distraught spouses, the lack of beds in hospitals, the list is endless.

I haven't crossed any line, choose to ride without proper protection and you are a selfish idiot.

I disagree with disabled smoke alarms, if I had my way they would be compulsory but that's not what this argument is about, it's about riding without the proper gear.

Don't be frightened to have an opinion and express it, I'm not.

[Chillum]

If you are going to start in on restricting services to people who deliberately put themselves in harms way - well, just about every sport out there can result in injuries at some point or other.

It's just not a realistic point of view.

[ponkster]

Thanks to  all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .


Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!


stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

And here was me thinking an englishmans home is his castle.

Stomp stomp stomp, get that alarm fitted or yer going to jail.

I had a screed written out but fuck it.

Budgie, you clearly want to rule with the old iron fist and that's your perogative. But as you state "if it keeps one person out of a&e then it should be compulsory" or words to that effect.

So going by that logic where you highlight someones idiocy in an earlier post where they suggest helmets for car drivers.

If it saves one life then it should be compulsory?
For instance, my brother died in a crash some years back, in what was supposedly a relatively safe vehicle. He landed on his roof. The nurse in the morgue said the killer blow was a strip of metal striking his temple.
A helmet may have saved his life. Thats a lost life that shattered my family for some years and still does. But a helmet could have saved all that grief and loss. Not looking for sympathy or 'owt just illustrating a point.
If its good for one then it has to be good for all and it should be law, no? Going by the logic.


Yes, nobody disagrees with the sensibility of wearing the gear and we all know we should. We also know we should test our alarms and eat the right food and smoke only fresh air and drink only water but how far are we taking it?
They are all selfish and at times mindless omissions but how far do we go?
Instead of discussing you are only seem to be engaging in bigotry and don't care about what anyone else wants because you've seen first hand the damage.
Me too. Personally,  away from bikes. Brother is career fire, I'm in fire enforcement (so lets talk smoke alarms and the requirments and social objectives attached if you like) ponkster up there is career fire also. We all know nurses (phwooars!!!!!)
We're adults, don't protect us. We take the risks and we contribute and we are involved.  No biker deserves the treatment more than a sick child, but we don't get the sympathy either. Nor should we. Bikes are dangerous in the wrong hands, and often even in the right hands.  And those hands will always be vulnerable.

Calling other people idiots is pretty shoddy to be fair,  and only because they differ in opinion or want to push your buttons.

Turns out it was another screed. Well there ye go.

Deep breaths Budgie. Deep breaths

[ponkster]

Well said -




















now I'm off to go train surfing in my flip flops

[jon]

How many whiplash victims would be prevented by compulsory neck braces in cars? How many broken bones would be prevented by compulsory harnesses when using stairs or ladders? How about compulsory heatproof mitts when boiling a kettle or compulsory steeltoecaps when gardening? Where do you draw the line in this stupid nanny state? All of these safety items are freely available so why not put on a 5 point race harness, fireproof suit, helmet and neck brace everytime you get in your car then , eh?

Fuck it, im off to walk under a ladder then run with scissors in my hand.

[Streetbudgie]

Thanks to  all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .


Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!


stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!

So the Emergency Services should all be grateful to idiots out there who ignore common sense and readily available safety equipment in the name of 'freedom of choice'

Ridiculous.

In case anyone thinks I'm a Medical Professional - I'm not, I am however a biker with common sense.

[Razgruff]

How many times how I typed this on here over the years  :rollin

I like riding lidless sometimes, totally different ride to when I dressed up like a super hero feeling invincible.

Helmets only stop penetrative injuries, they don't stop your brain flying around inside your skull becoming something similar to what you would get if you dropped a bowl of jelly on the floor.

As the famous quote by a A&E doctor goes about bikers in full leathers

"I like bikers, at least all the bits arrive in the same bag"

It's what's inside your helmet that with keep you alive, not what's wrapped your head and body

[Streetbudgie]

As ever the extreme examples have to come out - lets all wear helmets in cars, no dangerous sports et al.

This is about using your common sense to avoid serious injury and the consequences, not about freedom of choice to risk injury playing sport etc,

COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!