Ding dong the witch is dead

[Razgruff]

Ok I'll try again with that link
My Firefox really doesn't get on with this board

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...68785.html

[Tcat2001]

I'm pretty sure Concorde went down the pan shortly after it went down in flames and don't forget the French owned half. It was never economical, efficient and hugely polluting both in emissions and noise. Great technology when it was launched but as a viable sustainable business was always doomed. British Leyland similar. Poor quality expensive and badly designed when compared to the emerging European and Japanese cars. Failed to innovate and couldn't compete with cheaper and better made cars from abroad. Simple business and consumerism took over. Most folks will buy ether quality at a cheaper price rather than poorer quality British products.

[peterjca]

It's possible that part of the reason they bailed out the banks and devalued the pound was because the financial industry currently represents about 43% of our GDP.

You sure you're not a banker with an inflated sense of importance? 43% is extremely optimistic. Where did that come from? Andrew Haldane of the Bank of England states the financial services contribution to GDP is 10%.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good plunder of the taxpayer.

[Razgruff]

did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

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British Leyland similar. Poor quality expensive and badly designed when compared to the emerging European and Japanese cars. Failed to innovate and couldn't compete with cheaper and better made cars from abroad.

[peterjca]

Oh and I've brought my copy of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and it's looking good for being number One 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/

As the OP who set the subject of this thread, I had actually no idea that this facebook campaign existed. As much as I'd make myself ill so I could skitter over her final resting(?) place, I can't bring myself to join fuckbook, even if it is for a good cause.

Where else can I buy it from?

[Streetbudgie]

Yes that's right all the money from the sale of our national companies bought us out of debt.

Except it didn't. We only cleared the WW2 debt a few years ago.

Where did the money from the sale council homes go? We were promised new builds and improvements, what we got was nothing, nada, zilch.

No new homes and half the council properties in the borough I have just had to move out of are boarded up and  waiting for demolition, some for at least 5 years.

You think I have an ego? If I have learned anything it's how to be disappointed and lied to, no surprise I'm pissed off that now we have to pay 10 million to bury the person that destroyed any chance of improving my lot.

Guess you must be one of Maggie's alleged millions that just gobbled up shares in companies you already owned, bought your council house and couldn't give a toss about the jobless millions or the homeless you step over to get to your privately owned ex local authority family home which now houses you and your ego.

Oh yes we should all look on the brightside, 10 million years ago I might have been eaten by a sabre toothed tiger, try saying that to Welsh Miner who lost his home and saw his village and family torn apart as they all had to leave to find a menial job for minimum wage just so you can drink champagne and talk about your financial portfolio.

[Streetbudgie]

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Oh and I've brought my copy of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and it's looking good for being number One 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/

As the OP who set the subject of this thread, I had actually no idea that this facebook campaign existed. As much as I'd make myself ill so I could skitter over her final resting(?) place, I can't bring myself to join fuckbook, even if it is for a good cause.

Where else can I buy it from?
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Amazon

I don't actually agree with this particular campaign though as it is profiteering and probably started by the copyright owner.

[peterjca]

did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

[Tcat2001]

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did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.
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I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.

[Streetbudgie]

Isn't it only letters that you have to use RM on these days?

There's plenty of parcel delivery companies out there to choose from.

I thought e mail was killing postal letters anyway?

The only thing I have to post these days is my repeat script (which I pay for) because my GP is stuck in the 20th Century and refuses to accept reorders electronically.

[peterjca]

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[quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7157.msg69035#msg69035 date=1365712389]
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.
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I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.
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I said nothing about being pro-choice. I pointed out to you the fact that we have mock competition in the utilities and the railways, and that real competition is impossible to achieve.

If you drew the conclusion that I am pro-choice and all for competition then you are wrong. Competition clearly has its place and can do good. But the private sector has been a failure in providing the infrastructure upon which our country is built. Royal Mail and the universal rate is part of that infrastructure. The NHS is part of that infrastructure. The utilities are too.

If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.

[Razgruff]

Peterjca just buy the Judy Garland version from Amazon or Itunes and it will be counted in the charts 

♬ iTunes:

http://bit.ly/dingdongitunes

♬ Amazon:
http://bit.ly/dingdongamazon


play

http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-T...fer=search

[ChristoT]

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[quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7157.msg69035#msg69035 date=1365712389]
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.
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I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.
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I hate to be pedantic about a point I agree with, but your point isn't exactly true.  TECHNICALLY speaking, you COULD post everything through DHL, FedEx, or through a courier company. However, none of those firms have a) got the same coverage as a nationalised postal service, and b) none are as cheap. People vote with their feet.

Interestingly enough, in France, the postal service is nationalised for letters, but parcels are sent via a private firm, Collissimo, who work exclusively for La Poste. You can send a parcel via Collissimo from any post office in France - a possible solution for the Brits?

[ChristoT]

If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.

In the UK, or anywhere in the world? In either case, I hope you're hungry...  :evil

[Tcat2001]

Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.

Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

[size=0.7em]and finally[/size]

And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.

[Tcat2001]

Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?

[peterjca]

Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.

Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

[size=0.7em]and finally[/size]

And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.

Then you misinterpreted, as I pointed out.

[Tcat2001]

I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

[peterjca]

Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?

Good grief. You really are clutching at straws. I wasn't aware that LOCOG paid for the Olympics.

I'll eat my FZ1 when private enterprise funds and provides a spectacle of Olympics proportions in the UK.

[peterjca]

I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

Edited; Now children, civility to one another if you don't mind. There's debate, discussion and even argument, but if we can refrain from hurling insults about then I'll be a happy Aegis and the Admin stick can remain covered in cobwebs and dust.

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