What would you do if you lost your license?

[Lawrence]

[quote author=Lawrence link=topic=4806.msg41623#msg41623 date=1349270409]
[quote author=Rusty link=topic=4806.msg41618#msg41618 date=1349268506]Ask yourselves why you didn’t know there was a machine that can manipulate the weather? And why was it built? Ask yourself do you trust our politicians to act in YOUR best interest - or theirs?  Whatever you take from this just start asking questions, and don’t take the word of those who smugly console you with assurances that everything is alright with as much sincerity as Arthur Daley selling a used motor.

There was outcry in this country when it was announced that VAT was going to be charged on Cornish pasties.  If it was announced officially that the government (or another government) was controlling the weather half the country's heads would explode.
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The problem being?
[/quote]Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing  :lol

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

surely a wheat/chaff scenario

[breadlord]

Oh shit, Rusty (Of the family Starfish), you've done it now.


There are probably secret government assassins coming after each and every one of us now that you've pulled the wool from our eyes.


DEAR GOD, NO, DON'T USE THE WEATHER CONTROL MACHINE
THE ONE THAT DOESN'T WORK ON SNOWBOUND AIRPORTS, OR THE RAIN OVER THE OLYMPICS
IT'S IN THE BOX NEXT TO THE GRAVITY WAVE PROPULSION UNITS
AND OVER THE WAY FROM THE SECRET GOVERNMENT PRISON CELLS


I originally thought you were just a misguided libertarian, but shit. It turns out you're some kind of underground freedom fighter.
Who works within the confines of common law.

[caretaker]

i would have contributed to this thread, but i was too busy eating crisps.

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

:lol

[Robbie8666]

so if i lost my license I cant fly a plane or ufo or be the one in charge of of the weather machine?

damn better keep my speed down!!  :rollin :lol :rollin


I will be the first to put my hand up & say I dont understand politics like I dont understand lots of things, like engines and medicine but I am quite happy to let those people that do carry on.

but isn't it great that we live in a country / society where we can have discussions / debates like this one openly and frankly! without fear of reprisals from secret police or the like?!

ok so Rusty & Breadlord might not see eye to eye and would be a great pub / dinner party discusion to watch & listen to if they ever met up.
but as previously stated this is a good exchange of differing points of view by both parties that are passionate and knowledgeable about their side of the coin.

carry on

[goldfazer]

Blimey, VNA has a twin who's now also a Foccer :lol :lol :lol

[Rusty]

Oh shit, Rusty (Of the family Starfish), you've done it now.... blah....blah....blah.. snippety snippety snip...   I originally thought you were just a misguided libertarian, but shit. It turns out you're some kind of underground freedom fighter.

Breadlord you amuse me. Well actually you surprised me, in that you say you 'thought' which must be a first. Guys? like you are usually followers not thinkers. Predictably it's always some kind of naive quasi-socialistic ideal too, left over from long nights in the Students union bar no doubt. It fades though, all followers get tired in the end. The 1960's were full of idealistic hippies who were going to change the world and where are they now? Well ironically, they're the same people you wasted your time protesting about in St Pauls.


Underground freedom fighter eh?  :lol Naw,think of me more in terms of 'an independant nosey bastard that won't be fobbed off' and you're nearer the mark. I see I've made an enemy of you breadlord, and with that in mind do you really think that I would post anything up here that can't be proven? Stroll on lad. Where's your intelligent and incisive critique? Where's your seriously researched counterpoint? I can debate with a five year old who'll come up with starfish and lizard riposte's, in between her crayoning on the wallpaper that is. Come on man raise your game!



Misguided Libertarian? That would be 'misguided' in the sense that I don't agree with you I take it? Well yes and no. I could be described as libertarian in that I think it would be nice if we could all just get along and play nicely in this world, but then some vitriolic ass-hole always comes along, foaming with revolutionary fervour just to spoil it. Don't they breadlord? 


Maybe I'm not making myself properly understood here? OK bear with me... Minds are like parachutes - they work best when they're open. :lol

The reason I pointed out the so called UFO technology above is this. That type of technology is at least 25 years old, yet be honest unless you were in the military you may be forgiven for thinking that aircraft such as the F-117 stealth fighter are cutting edge. The truth is that cutting edge is what joe public don't know about.  What you believe to be cutting edge was revealed to you only because it was obsolete. Even the Lockheed X-22 darkstar is probably obsolete now, and again that is a craft using an electro-magnetic field propulsion system. Such systems are capable of 7000 mph in atmosphere. They were able to hide it from you for so long by using disinformation, ignorance and ridicule. I'll come back to those.

I read somewhere that in automotive technology they are approximately ten years in front. That means that the stuff you see appearing in the showroom today like self parking sensors etc was in R+D ten years or so ago, and it gradually becomes implemented. In the military world that number of years  is at least 50, taking around 40 for the kit to filter into the public's perception. A few examples might be fibre optics, the military had those in 1947. Super tensile fabrics which you now know as 'kevlar', again from the 1940's. The printed circuit, laser, night vision glasses, the list goes on.

Ok so what's all this got to do with Politics?

Well I would suggest the link is pretty crucial to the understanding of what's going on, and remember I say suggest here. My aim is to encourage others to look beyond their own noses, not to convince you that I'm right.

At the end of World war two both the Russian and American military raced to capture Nazi scientists. They ended up getting some of each, but the reason they wanted them was to learn the secrets of their advanced technology. Toward the end of the war those guys were working on stuff you wouldn't believe, and the American's captured the best of the bunch. Werner Von Braun is one of the better known ones, responsible for the V1 and V2 vergeltungswaffe they called him the father of rocketry.  It was Von Braun amongst others who put America on the moon.

Of greater interest even than Von Braun, was the work of Viktor Schauberger, who invented the Repulsine engine, which is basically a high energy (some say free energy) field density engine capable of use in a flying craft of unconventional appearance. A disk for example. It works on a swirling vorteces principle creating some sort of electro-magnetic thrust. I'm not a scientist remember - just a nosey bastard, so I'm not going to do the work for you - I've already done it. If you'd like to check this out start googling 'Schauberger' or 'Repulsine'.

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OK, so all this stuff has been in development since at least 1945, hence the 'Flying Saucer' craze and multiple sightings of strange craft  from the late '40's onward. People were noticing things in the sky that didn't look right, and were told by the politicians that they were weather balloons, swamp gas or any number of unfeasible explanations.  Occasionally one of these craft had an accident, it crashed leaving debris, but more importantly - witnesses. Those witnesses always had a visit from the military telling them to forget what they saw - Or else!


So to protect national security a pattern emerged. Disinformation, ridicule, and ignorance followed by threats, and unfortunately in some cases, more. So here we are in the 21st Century and almost 70 years have passes in which time the military has been quietly developing it's technology.  Those of you who have served in the military, the Police, or even in corporate business will know that information is very compartmentalised.  You know what your told but that's not as much as the guy higher up.  Well Joe Public is at the bottom of that ladder, we're told nothing, even though we're the ones paying for it. Which is why they kept running the space shuttle until recently, to have you believe that that was where we are at technology wise. It was in reality the equivalent of going to space in a model T Ford.


OK, so I have to do a little work now (gasp!) but later I'll mention a couple more projects you may or may not be aware of and then I'll get to the controversial bit of how all this affects you, which ties it all in.  So get your popcorn ready, and in the meantime feel free to think of some other aquatic creature to call me.  :evil















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[Chillum]

Rusty, perhaps you should start another thread where this stuff can be discussed without hijacking

[richfzs]

Rusty, perhaps you should start another thread where this stuff can be discussed without hijacking

Nah, that would disrupt the flow of a most entertaining discourse! Keep it right here!

[breadlord]

Rusty, what you are is that bloke in the pub whose learnt one argument that sounds clever, so you've been repeating it over and over to show how smart you are while everyone pretends to listen hoping you'll shut the fuck up.

How's that smartness working out for you? Big success? House in the country? Yacht?

You've used Werner Von Braun, whose expertise was chemical rockets, classical mechanics and fluid mechanics and mixed it a big bowl of weird Nazi super scientist weirdness. Toward the end of the war they were filling the noses of V2s with concrete because there wasn't enough explosive available. Which as I'm sure you are aware is not exactly super science.

Nothing you've mentioned exists in the scientific literature. Nothing exists outside of crackpot blogs where everyone reinforces each others beliefs.

[Rusty]

Nothing you've mentioned exists in the scientific literature. Nothing exists outside of crackpot blogs where everyone reinforces each others beliefs.

Now now breadlord, don't go all crusty on me.


I've given some thought to you what you said earlier. 'Underground freedom fighter' eh? .... Hmmmm....I like it! Has a ring to it, sounds kinda cool don't you think? It conjours up images of action man Bruce Willis, struggling to defend Earth from asteroids - while wearing a dirty vest. Although the reality is less glamorous of course, it's just old Rusty struggling with hemorrhoids. I do have a dirty vest though, I spit coffee on it when I saw your limp reply.


However, in true 'freedom fighter' fashion, I went out this afternoon and bought one of those funny plastic Guy Fawkes masks that all true freedom fighters must have. Allthough to be honest as I sit here typing I find the elastic don't half chafe your ears. So, the only part I'm missing now is the 'underground' bit, but then I do live in a bungalow is that near enough?





I've been looking at all the good work you folks did during the occupy London thing, quite impressive. Have you noticed how they're trying to twist words these days, those capitalist bastards I mean? They tell you threre are no rich bastards any more, they are 'wealth creators'. Did you notice that? Sneaky buggers the media aren't they, no more capitalist pigs, just wealth creators, makes them like good fairies creating wealth for all.


Anyway I don't think you guys got your due for what you did in front of St Pauls.  If the rich can be called wealth creators then I thin you fella's should have been called... er.... 'Job creators'.
Yes that's it - job creators.  After all ..... some fucker had to clean up after you'd gone. :lol


Well I'll type the next instalment of my tale tomorrow as I'm watching an invisible cloak on ebay and it's going off soon, wouldn't wanna miss it, I mean - when would you see another?

[breadlord]

You're a loony. And everyone else knows it. And you know it.

[Slaninar]

Most countries look more and more like Orwell's 1984. You don't have a dictator. You have a government that "you chose". So if you don't like, you can vote in 4 years for some others. But they all work the same.


My history teacher used to say that every state is an aparatus that protects the interests of the wealthy (ruling) and keeps the rest of the people in obedience. Some states do it more, some do it less nicely. Since the fall of communism, most capitalist states are less and less well for the working class.


If I lost my licence, I'd ride a bicycle 100% of the time. I do it 90% of the time now (make much more mileage on it, than Fazer and car combined).

[bikerboys]

If I lost my licence, I'd still ride  :lol just get my burqa out  totally unidentifiable, it makes it too easy to just ride around like there is no  crime  :rollin

[Rusty]

You're a loony. And everyone else knows it. And you know it.

Aw c'mon bready I'm only joshin' you. Lighten up. After all I'm only talking about plans for a coming global fascist government here so nothing too heavy huh?  If only you knew it I'm actually trying to help you, but your painting me black without either knowing who I am or anything about my background. I see from your posts that you are a passionate guy and I like that, we may not agree but as with VNA I do respect a fella that has the gumption to stand up and be counted.


So how about we call a truce and I tell you a little more about what I know? Go on... what do you have to lose?  I'll even promise to throw away that plastic face mask. (they get kinda sweaty inside don't they?) Besides, look at the view count, there are bunches of guys out there just bursting to hear me spontaneously combust before their very eyes for their entertainment, think of all that wasted popcorn? 


I'll also tell you a few of the names that gave me this info so you can see just who those 'crackpots' are- they'll surprise you. They won't mind. As I told you some are dead now anyway, and others are so old that they don't give a shit anymore. Those that aren't dead or old are out there bravely telling it like it is so people can know what's coming, and meeting with shit loads of abuse for doing so. So how about it?  It's clear you still need a little guidance as a fledgeling revolutionary. For example in your last post you gave me an insight into your character by defining success in material terms - Big House, Yatch etc. Why can't success be measured simply in the good that you do?


You also mentioned the concrete nose in the V2 rocket as being somehow unscientific. I found it odd that when faced with a V2 rocket, which in it's day was an unprecedented technical marvel, and the machine that heralded the age of the ICBM, all you could focus on was the payload. You're not seeing the big picture breadlord, and I'm trying to show it to you.


Slaninar in every post I have read of yours you are the one guy who I feel is able to understand the way things are going. I'd say your history teacher was correct. Now imagine if instead of 'some states do it more some states do it less', those states were to merge in what could be termed a collective. If they did this via financial means first before political, then you would eventually arrive at a point where Earth becomes one giant social collective.


Like I said earlier if people are interested enough I'll post up some more, if not then I won't. It change anything, only by reading they might see it coming when it does, and following another major world event next spring I believe that time is fast approaching.

[Chillum]

You're a loony. And everyone else knows it. And you know it.

For fucks sake Breadlord, if you're going to have a debate with someone at least keep it about the points raised rather than using smokescreen.

Rusty, keep it coming. If necessary I'll start debating you to keep it going, even though I am aware of a lot of this stuff already.

Question though: Do you have any suggestions on how to overcome the impression that we are ants trying to fight a gorilla.

[Rusty]

For fucks sake Breadlord, if you're going to have a debate with someone at least keep it about the points raised rather than using smokescreen.
Rusty, keep it coming. If necessary I'll start debating you to keep it going, even though I am aware of a lot of this stuff already.

Question though: Do you have any suggestions on how to overcome the impression that we are ants trying to fight a gorilla.

The lad's allright Chillum.  My fault for winding him up really, I have wry sense of humour that doesn't translate in text. In answer to your question No. That's just what we are. Effing plebs!  :lol


The answer is greater transparency and openness in government, but we don't have that because of so called 'security issues'. The security issues they themselves create that is. Like the bogey man. Russians, now  terrorists, then perhaps the Chinese, then it'll probably be the extraterrestrial threat. So long as your kept in fear of something external you will look to the government to do something about it, and if that means losing a little liberty to feel safe along the way then that's what people will accept.  And that's what the government will provide.


The reason why the USSR failed and China succeeds is an open economic market. A totalitarian government based on commerce. There are no ‘Human Rights’ just human manipulation. It's a very successful business model and this hasn't gone unnoticed in the west. They know they can't fight China, they can't out produce or out manufacture China, but they can emulate it. By combining nations into larger entities like the EU, and eventually further combining under one world banking system Earth becomes a social economic collective.

[Slaninar]

Slaninar in every post I have read of yours you are the one guy who I feel is able to understand the way things are going.

Compliments are nice, but a pint of ale is nicer. 

I'd say your history teacher was correct. Now imagine if instead of 'some states do it more some states do it less', those states were to merge in what could be termed a collective. If they did this via financial means first before political, then you would eventually arrive at a point where Earth becomes one giant social collective.

Exactly. Like those cyberpunk SF novels of 80s: large corporations are starting to run everything. Politicians are paid to lead people by the laws that suit people with lots of resources (money, goods, power, land....). Money itself is a great way to fraud people. Most of it explained in Zeitgeist.

Like I said earlier if people are interested enough I'll post up some more, if not then I won't. It change anything, only by reading they might see it coming when it does, and following another major world event next spring I believe that time is fast approaching.

I'm quite pessimistic. 1984 at it's best. We all have mobile phones, facebook, CCTV everywhere. Most people owe some money to banks. So lots of means to control people, little unity among people. It will slowl get worse and worse. Until we all work like the Chinese, for a few dollars a day. And we'll be happy with our few dollars, better than those poor africans ,yeees. And we will envy those with whole 10 dolars a day! And fight among each other for crums of bread. Some, very few will have it all. That's the direction we're heading it seems.

[MadDogMcQ]

I was watching a program on TV a couple of nights ago called "SUPERCARS - PORSCHE PANAMERA". As much as the program was about the car, it was also about the manufacture of it. It was completely and utterly STAGGERING!  Parts are delivered every single day by 150 artics and those parts are all used within 24 hours. No single process in the factory takes longer than 140 seconds. The investment and planning and the logistics of it all are almost incomprehensible!!! You have to see it all to believe it - your jaw will drop to the floor.


When it finished, I came upstairs to tinker on the internet and on here I found this thread and read through it. I then read something that you (Rusty) had said to me previously....


"Knowledge of the truth is deliberately kept from us as they fear telling us the truth, or that we should learn it before they are ready. They are almost ready now, and are killing whistle blowers to silence them until they are completely ready. Then will come war, man made disasters (from volcano's and earthquakes caused by the use of a Tesla machine) and biological warfare. Their aim is to reduce the world's population by 4/5ths and bring in a new world order. Once the population has been culled there will be disclosure, which will then introduce the new paradigm".


What a simpleton like me doesn't get, is why all these [size=2em]incredibly[/size] clever people who make [size=2em]VAST, [/size] long-term investments in things like super-factories when the future is (according to some) so feckin gloomy! Obviously, the Porsche factory is just one of a myriad projects around the world which are all being worked on - in vain?


I also watched something called "Preppers" which was a bunch of crazy people in America preparing for the imminent "Doomsday" by pickling jars of food every day. Personally, I think that if the end of the world was coming, it'd be a nuclear wipeout initiated by the Arabs.