 On my way to the Mayday Hastings bike run I approached a roundabout near orpington,there I saw a bike on its side and a biker sitting on the verge. I stopped to assess the situation and could see he was on the phone. Mindful of my 8 year old daughter on the back of me and lack of safe places for her to stand not to mention the crowds of people standing behind the armco barrier who appeared to be doing nothing. I assumed he was not badly injured and carried on. Being a trained 1st aider I could not help feeling a tad guilty as I rode away which wasn't helped by the sight of an ambulance tearing round the M25 in his direction. Didn't like that feeling but knew I would have been more concerned about putting my daughter in danger by stopping. Your thoughts please.
Dont worry your daughter comes first , i wouldnt have stopped too if i had my daughter with me 
(09-05-12, 03:13 PM)ddtwelve link Wrote: Dont worry your daughter comes first , i wouldnt have stopped too if i had my daughter with me
absolutley agree, if he was able to talk on the phone, and you definately wasnt 1st on scene, there wwas nothing you could do other than cause your daughter undue fear.
in my book you asessed the situation and took the correct action.
go easy on yourself mate
(09-05-12, 03:44 PM)clayt74 link Wrote: [quote author=ddtwelve link=topic=2917.msg23029#msg23029 date=1336572795]absolutley agree, if he was able to talk on the phone, and you definately wasnt 1st on scene, there wwas nothing you could do other than cause your daughter undue fear.
in my book you asessed the situation and took the correct action.
go easy on yourself mate
I'd agree with this too.
If the guy had been lying injured or was in danger, yes, by all means stop, but from how you describe the situation, it was under control, he wasn't in imminent danger, so you probably couldn't have done anything more and were quite right to decide to carry on.
I know this is being really pedantic :pokefun and this is an internet forum, but some of the grammar on here is appalling.
Quote: you definately wasnt 1st on scene
you definitely weren't first on the scene
Quote: i wouldnt have stopped too if i had my daughter with me
I wouldn't have stopped either if I'd had my daughter with me
Typo's and no capitals I can take, but being a grammar nazi these really bug me
That's Nazi wiv a big N. And it's 'if I'd have had my daughter with me' - or maybe even 'if I'd my daughter with me' :moon
Tsk.
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Back on topic - first action when on scene is to assess for danger, not just to the patient, but to you and others around you. From what you've described, don't think anyone would disagree with your assessment and course of action. Don't worry too much about the ambulance flying towards him, the information passed will have been very basic and probably over exaggerated and generated a high priority response code.
Thanks for your replies fella's. Felt a lot better reading them. Even if it was only about my grammar. 
That First bike on scene training- cant seem to get it here in mid Wales
I contacted the road safety people at my council who badger me to do bikesafe as well as St Johns and the fire brigade (who seem to run it elsewhere)
Greybeard now
you did the right thing DAZZA,in the right order
One, is never going to be enough.....
I've recently attended a "Biker Down" course run by Kent Fire and rescue (HIGHLY recommend BTW) and the first part is all about what to do if you are first on the scene of an RTC involving a motorcyclist. The thing they stress a lot is your own safety, YOU are number one priority at any accident you come across.
Secondly, you are taught to access the situation, and I think, reading your post, you did this well. The fact he's sitting and on the phone is a very good sign, if he had been laying motionless on the ground with no one else around then you would have a right to feel guilty for not stopping.
Quick pop quiz for a Monday mornin, one question that was posed was "you arrive at the scene of an RTC, 2 people involved, one screeming at the top of their lungs, the other laying on the ground, silent, who do you go to first?"
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(14-05-12, 08:34 AM)HarryHornby link Wrote: Quick pop quiz for a Monday mornin, one question that was posed was "you arrive at the scene of an RTC, 2 people involved, one screeming at the top of their lungs, the other laying on the ground, silent, who do you go to first?"
thats an easy one ( i think) surely it has to be the one silent laying on the ground, they could well still be alive and not breathing needing immediate attention.
the other although possibly in a lot of pain, or possibly just hysterical has no immediate life threatening signs.
thats my rationale?
Gold star for clayt74 go to the top of the class!
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(14-05-12, 08:34 AM)HarryHornby link Wrote: I've recently attended a "Biker Down" course run by Kent Fire and rescue (HIGHLY recommend BTW) and the first part is all about what to do if you are first on the scene of an RTC involving a motorcyclist. The thing they stress a lot is your own safety, YOU are number one priority at any accident you come across.
Yep, I've been to a similar talk at the Ride it Right events at Haselmere Fire Station and the first rule is "DON'T become another casualty". There's no point in being in so much of a hurry to help someone else that you end up getting clobbered by a car coming around the bend who hasn't seen you!
Quote:Quick pop quiz for a Monday mornin, one question that was posed was "you arrive at the scene of an RTC, 2 people involved, one screeming at the top of their lungs, the other laying on the ground, silent, who do you go to first?"
The one who is silent. You know the one who is screaming is alive and breathing, the silent one may not be breathing or need CPR, so he gets priority. (Although, apparently, you're not supposed to tell the one who's screaming to "Shut the FOC UP!" )
(14-05-12, 08:34 AM)HarryHornby link Wrote: Quick pop quiz for a Monday mornin, one question that was posed was "you arrive at the scene of an RTC, 2 people involved, one screeming at the top of their lungs, the other laying on the ground, silent, who do you go to first?"
The one who's screaming, they are going into shock so you treat them, the person on the ground is an unknown as yet, just because he isn't moving it doesn't follow he is more urgently in need of attention. If you attend to the screamer you may have an extra extra helper potentially.
:\ Sorry Phil TK .. You are way off course there .. in my opinion .
My training was based on: It's just like a Fight .. the one making all the noise is the least of your worries!
Deal with the silent one(s) first.
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(15-05-12, 07:00 AM)purplebear7 link Wrote: :\ Sorry Phil TK .. You are way off course there .. in my opinion .
I thought it was a trick question, ie the obvious is wrong.
But I guess if someone was screaming because their arm was hanging off one might be inclined to attend to that first!
In that case Buddy .. it all depends if they are wearing a good wrist watch .. or not! :rolleyes
PB
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