BREXIT

[VNA]

Right so the £9billion (Net) we pay to the EU is just for Junkers wine cellar then

The government’s own forecasts say that growth over the next 15 years without a deal will be 10% lower than it would otherwise have been.

Analysis showed that under WTO rules, British exports to the EU would be hit by tariffs of £6bn (roughly two-thirds of Britain’s net contributions). Imports were also likely to be affected, increasing the cost of living in the UK.

A no-deal Brexit could cost the UK £2.2bn every year as the network connecting the nation’s electricity supply with its European neighbours would no longer function effectively.

Nearly three-quarters of UK automotive businesses believe that a ‘no-deal’ Brexit would harm their future viability – with the head of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders again warning that failure to leave the European Union without an agreement would lead to plants being shut and jobs lost.  And that’s just the car industry.

Bear in mind that UK GDP was 2.04 trillion pounds in 2017.  The economic impact of leaving the EU on a NO DEAL according to government estimates would be 204 billion pounds a year after ten years.

The economic benefits that we get from our membership are well worth the comparative small 9 billion annual contribution.

   

[VNA]

This is well worth watching;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U9PtoH5bsM

[ogri48]

rightly or wrongly, some things go beyond the facts and figures mate. I'd vote leave regardless of any of it, And so would a lot of remainers I guess.

[VNA]

rightly or wrongly, some things go beyond the facts and figures mate. I'd vote leave regardless of any of it, And so would a lot of remainers I guess.

And that is beyond me.  What you are saying is that you want to be poorer.  What you are saying is that with our NHS we will need to decide who will live and who will die. 



I’ll tell you this, the 48% of people right across the country who voted to REMAIN, voted to REMAIN because they don’t want an isolationist UK.  Because we don’t want to be poorer.  We don’t want to lose our manufacturing base and our jobs.  We voted REMAIN because we don’t want to see our NHS fail.  We voted REMAIN because we don’t buy the xenophobic racist lies of the popular press such as the Sun, Express and mail, all owned by anti-working-class anti-trade union press barons who want to fuck it into ordinary people.


At the end of the day, the 48% are not going to allow a NO DEAL BREXIT.


And you know what, people up here in Scotland, we wanna know what the fuck is wrong with England.

[YamFazFan]

Being part of the UK union brings significant benefits to the economy of Scotland, but you want to leave that.
We should be working together, helping each other for our mutual success, in harmony for the good of us all, not pulling apart. Tssk, bloomin isolationists :rolleyes .

[VNA]

[VNA]

Being part of the UK union brings significant benefits to the economy of Scotland, but you want to leave that.
We should be working together, helping each other for our mutual success, in harmony for the good of us all, not pulling apart. Tssk, bloomin isolationists :rolleyes .

Well it should have, but it hasn’t.  All my bleeding life I’ve suffered Tory governments voted in by England.


I’ve watched Scottish assets and industry be destroyed by successive governments we didn’t vote for.


You lot voted Thatcher in in 1979, her mission was to destroy the working class and our unions.  She did it, and in the process, she put over 4 million people on the dole and destroyed communities across this nation.


And do you know the reason that this country survived Thatcher’s onslaught?  Our oil industry footed the bill.  Scotland’s oil squandered on Thatcher’s neo liberal agenda. 



You talk of pulling together for mutual benefit but you want to scrap our highly beneficial membership of the EU on the back of some dumb stupid and phoney nationalism. 



Add saving 9 billion year might sound great, but not when 10 years down the line the annual cost of doing so is a loss of 204 billion pounds pa.  Well done!  Where is the mutual fucking success in that?


Being part of the EU brings significant benefits to the UK.  48% of the UK population and 2 nations out of this 4 nation union ain’t gonna thank you for bringing needless recession to our country.


So yeah, a NO DEAL BREXIT could very well spell the end of Great Britain.  And sadly, the reality is that may well be no bad thing.

[VNA]

[ogri48]

rightly or wrongly, some things go beyond the facts and figures mate. I'd vote leave regardless of any of it, And so would a lot of remainers I guess.

And that is beyond me.  What you are saying is that you want to be poorer.  What you are saying is that with our NHS we will need to decide who will live and who will die. 


No, thats what you are saying.. I am saying I think we will be better off in the long run. Your letting your hatred of England fuel your anger, which I kinda get, but if you let that rage turn you into some sort of left wing fascist, then there is no arguing with you, because you refuse to recognise that people are allowed to think differently to you.

[agricola]

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Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves  :z
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and the next one will be the lights going out
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Wow, what took you so long. 489 posts and 20 pages before you trot out the the lights going out  :z

[dazza]

Ogri has hit the nail on the head.....Something I think we've all been aware of and had to endure the  same old name calling and labels but.......VNA is a left wing racist fascist.
He's no better than the right wing fascists he's always condemning on here.
Tommy Robinsons got nothing on you.  :lol
Rebuild the fucking wall I say .....and move it south a bit. 

[fazersharp]

I don't think we will see another attempt by corbin to force a general election because "Sir Nigel" is heading up a new party called the Brexit Party in readiness to fight. Sorry VNA but there does not seem to be a Marxist party that you could vote for.

[steve 10562cc]

Can't be much wrong with England you whining foccers north of the border voted not to become an independent nation.

[dazza]

Just a suggestion VNA  :lol

[VNA]

No, that’s what you are saying.. I am saying I think we will be better off in the long run.

But here’s what you actually said.

rightly or wrongly, some things go beyond the facts and figures mate. I'd vote leave regardless of any of it, And so would a lot of remainers I guess.

What you are saying is that you don’t care about the facts and figures.  The facts and figures are quite clear, the economic experts are in agreement.  The economic benefit of EU membership is clear.


But you guys don’t care.  You are wreckers.

Your letting your hatred of England fuel your anger

I have no hatred of England.  None whatsoever.  But when people say they don’t care, we don’t give a shit about the facts and figures, we’ve had enough of experts, we just wanna wreck the economy, well yeah I get pissed off.  Like I said in another thread it really fuckin gets my goat.


Wreck our economy, wreck our NHS, wreck our schools, wreck our industry.  Wreck it all, cos you are voting leave np matter what, and you don’t care.  Fuck Yeah, wreck it all. :'(

[VNA]

[agricola]

Why are you wasting so much time and effort whining? When we've left, you can have your independence ballot and leave, then you'll be able to sponge direct from Brussels (or Strasbourg, depending on whose turn it is)

[mtread]

But none of this matters....... because (apparently) us Remainers are going to 'steal Brexit' and you are certainly not going to get the 'No Deal' version you mistakenly assume 52% voted for.


There will be a deal of some sort with the EU,  however much you might whinge about it.



So get over it  :lol

[YamFazFan]

But none of this matters....... because (apparently) us Remainers are going to 'steal Brexit'

I've no doubt whatsoever that Brexit is going to get stolen from us.

you are certainly not going to get the 'No Deal' version you mistakenly assume 52% voted for.

I don't recall any talk of 'deals' when we voted to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum. I assumed we would just come out and that's it.

There will be a deal of some sort with the EU,  however much you might whinge about it. 

We won't even be that lucky. The arch Remainers will settle for nothing less than a total reversal of Brexit. There will be another referendum and Remain will most likely win it because a significant number of Leavers won't bother turning out again due to being ignored in the first one.

If by some miracle Remain lose again they'll just make us keep voting again until they do get the result they want :rolleyes

[VNA]

I am saying I think we will be better off in the long run.

But based on what? 

I've tried and mtread has too, to find out why it the BREXITEER foccers want to leave.
So I'm back to my list.

1.      Daylight running lamps
2.      Graded Bananas
3.      Dazza’a Great Grandfather
4.      Cheap and nasty food and drink imports
5.      Crap inefficient electrical goods.
6.      Dislike paying EU dues


Not one BREXITEER foccer has come up with one single good reason for leaving the EU.

And youse wonder why some of us who want to stay are just a bit pissed off :lol