BREXIT

[nick crisp]

But if we followed your logic, the terrorists would win. We would simply capitulate to their demands.

Wasps will leave you alone. What you don't do is prod their nest with a stick  :lol

Nope. Bees will leave you alone. Wasps are vindictive little bastards that will sting you without reason 

[mtread]

- isn't it, as you suggest, the whole point of automation?

Known as the 'Jetsons Scenario' (if you remember them). We were promised that automation would be so far developed, that life would be all leisure, and we wouldn't have to work at all. We're still waiting.  :rolleyes

[YamFazFan]

I suspect that's a continuation of the piss taking

Yes but........ I like informed debate.

I was referring to the tommyardin post not your reply to it

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I was referring to the tommyardin post not your reply to it [/size]

Sorry, is that again you piss taking? 

[YamFazFan]

I was referring to the tommyardin post not your reply to it

Sorry, is that again you piss taking? 

NO! :wall :lol

I could not agree more, in fact it has been very informative reading theses posts and I feel as if I have gained some real insight and understanding, so please try to ignor the piss taking, I just can’t help it.

[YamFazFan]

But I trust that if he's exonerated then the Reamainers are going to accept that result

Of course  :lol I know very well Leave EU wasn't the official Leave campaign, but they were subject to the same Electoral Commission rules as the other campaigns. And it looks very much like they cheated.


I must admit, I would like to see that smug git put away. Best he avoids the showers. There's a big Greek prisoner that would like to have a few words with him :rollin

Blimey you make Judge Jeffries and Matthew Hopkins appear moderate and restrained :lol

You'd have him strapped in the ducking stool and dipped in and out of the river more times than a ducks beak before the NCA had even knocked on the door :lol


Until they've completed their investigations we simply cannot know either way. Like I say, I'd make no predictions whatsoever, but I'll accept their judgment however it turns out.

[nick crisp]

If found guilty, apply the appropriate punishment. Then let's get on with Brexit. We already know both sides of the campaign were disingenuous. It's no use feigning outrage about it now.

[mtread]

Ah, but only one side (allegedly) actually broke the law top
Anyway, he's now a Remainer
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/104063...heresa-May
Re-run anybody?  :lol

[nick crisp]

Re-run anybody?  :lol

Let's face it, that's all this is about. No one really cares about stupid Aaron Banks.
Dream on!


Besides which, as I have already suggested, he's not on my side, and i'm not on his. He cares about himself, he's wealthy and I'm sure will be just fine in or out of the EU.

[YamFazFan]

Re-run anybody?  :lol

I think I may have some good news for you. I'm not sure where I was or what I was doing when it happpened, but I reckon I've somehow missed a second referendum :eek .
Just caught the end of 'Brexit: What the Nation Really Thinks' on channel 4 and they were showing some Leave/Remain results and declaring a Remain victory and asking the panel what they're next move will be now, accompanied by victorious whooping and hollering from the audience. The presenter looked as pleased as punch and could barely contain his joy.

Looks like we're back in after all :'(

[nick crisp]

Yeah, I kind of half watched that.
People on both sides made some good points. But much was also missed, and some made as clear as mud.


For instance, "do you think Britain will be better or worse off?"
Well, do you mean in the long or short term? Short term, probably a bit worse off. And that's all most people are thinking about. That's not surprising, because they can't accurately predict even the shortest term it seems.
Long term, depends on what sort of governments we have, what happens in the rest of the world...as much potential as anyone else to be better off.
BUT...that's not the point, is it? The point is, we do want to make our own laws, we do want to decide for ourselves who comes in to the country, we do want to cut our own trade deals around the world.


What this just reinforced is that Remain is about business. It is not about people. If you think business is all there is to the world, sure, campaign to remain. But remember that the tendency is for business to benefit fewer and fewer people. It has had long enough, more than long enough, to prove otherwise, if it were going to do so.

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Looks like we're back in after all

You're right I did miss it. I also missed the Strickly Come Dancing result, which probably has about as much legitimacy 

[ogri48]

I saw a thing today about a 16 year old giving a speech about 16 year olds getting the right to vote. I think thats ridiculous because they havnt got a clue and don't pay taxes etc etc. But then I would, I'm an old man.
So considering its been my country for nearly sixty years am I right to think like that? I'm starting to think not, in truth. Its gonna be their country for a lot longer than i'll be alive. Ive had my time, but now im in a minority.
And this is what troubles me about Brexit.
I voted to leave and i'll always want that no matter what the consequences. I hated the way the EU treated us so dismissively before the referendum, and then how much further they have taken it since. I hated the way politicians like blair and Cameron simply disregarded that huge majority of us that just wanted them to listen, instead of dictate what we should think and feel, and then brand us as racist, xenophobic fruitcakes for not toeing their company line and agenda, having concerns they considered beneath them to even think about let alone allow discussion.
I freely admit, I want a Britain that is European, just as it always was a long long time before the common market but that still has its own sovereign identity, makes its own laws, and sets out is own boundaries. A Britain that doesn't kneel down and bow submissively before some jumped up power crazed little eurocrat and his ever increasing demands.
But.
A lot of the young seem to want that. Just as a lot of them want that terrorist loving rascally old racist Corbyn running the country. So who am I to want to stop them? it'll be their generation that reaps the whirlwind.
So now, im pretty blasé about all of it. How can you be any different? even if Brexit goes ahead, it wont be the Brexit that 52% of the country voted for. Nobody will win now, no matter what. Nobody will get what they want. Both sides will lose, because the government and those around them, and us as a nation, didn't rise to meet the challenge. Those days are gone. We are a different breed now. I sincerely believe the young don't want to lead, they just want to follow. Thats their choice, its not fr meto decry it.There was a survey the other day that said that four out of ten young people wouldnt fight for their country now.( Im guessing a lot of that is the lefts belief that it isn't our country at all, its anybodies who wants to live here.)
So when retired officers talk about there worries about us having insufficient boats planes tanks soldiers etc in the military, does it matter any more, given that as a nation it would appear we will never stand up and fight again.
Im not having a pop at the left, im really not. They are just as entitled to their opinions as I am mine.
And im not saying id ever do anything other than stand by the decision I made to vote leave.
but what I am saying, is that if thats what the young want, given that its them that will be here after im gone, perhaps thats what they should have.

[ogri48]

ps VNA if you do that thing where you pick out every single sentence from that post and then argue about it, I will personally let down the tyres of every skoda yeti oop north to make sure I get yours.. :lol

[nick crisp]

Tbh, I think Brexit is the least of the worries for the coming generations.
Thank foc we don't live forever!

[ogri48]

amen to that mate...

[VNA]

I've kept out of this so far. 
Just to prove a point. 

A thread Just for VNA..... fuck off  [img alt=:lol]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/img]

So I totally agree with Tommy :lol

And I was gonna continue to keep out of it, and anyway the title of the thread pisses me off.

But;

Just as a lot of them want that terrorist loving rascally old racist Corbyn running the country.

What the fuck?  Seriously! 


I dunno what you've been smoking Orgri.  But I can't think of many people who have campaigned against racism and for equality for as long as Mr Corbyn.  Mr Corbyn has spent his whole life campaigning against violence, injustice and war.

Corbyn is one of those rare folks of whom you all complain here does not exist.  He is genuine.  He is not in politics as you say to line his pockets or have a good time.

I mean fuck me, how can you call Mr Corbyn a racist.  Seriously Ogri - get a grip man!

[ogri48]

your absolutely right mate, What the hell was I thinking...

[VNA]

your absolutely right mate, What the hell was I thinking... [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/img]

Ah well.  Thank foc fae that.  Glad we got that sorted oot.  VNA can go back tae sleep again.  :z

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Terrorist loving Corbyn? What about that terrorist loving May? Yes that's them - the DUP
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ra...ho-are-dup