BREXIT

[YamFazFan]

Am i the only one who hasn't got a clue what Brexit means or what it's all about?
I don't believe i am.

No you're not the only one. Far from it. There's loads of people who either don't know or don't care about it.
To condense it into a nutshell....Remainers tell lies, Leavers tell the truth, The EU is rotten to the core and we're coming out :woot

[fazersharp]

You can add cheaper food and drink to that list now by removing EU tariffs.

Single market Fazersharp.  28 countries trading as one.  There are no tariffs.  Further we have free trade access to a further 50 countries via EU free trade agreements. 

If we do a NO DEAL (which parliament should act to prevent) then we loose all that. 

Rubbish.We will trade on WTO rules that set maximum tariffs BUT allow any member to set any amount of low (including ZERO) tariffs.The EU tariffs I was referring to are not EU to EU ones because they do not exist I was Obviously referring the ones that you have conveniently ignored which is the rest of the world. Currently within the EU we HAVE to apply what is called The Common Customs Tariff to the rest of the world which varies depending on the goods involved - anything from 0-36%.Leaving on WTO rules means that we can set our own which can be zero if we chose. 

[mtread]

Leavers tell the truth,

I'm sorry. I've just split my sides laughing  :rollin

[mtread]

Rubbish.We will trade on WTO rules that set maximum tariffs BUT allow any member to set any amount of low (including ZERO) tariffs.The EU tariffs I was referring to are not EU to EU ones because they do not exist I was Obviously referring the ones that you have conveniently ignored which is the rest of the world. Currently within the EU we HAVE to apply what is called The Common Customs Tariff to the rest of the world which varies depending on the goods involved - anything from 0-36%.Leaving on WTO rules means that we can set our own which can be zero if we chose.

If only it was as simple as that......
If you make your import tariffs very low or zero, other countries will flood you with cheap goods. This will wreck your home production and also other exporting countries will take retaliatory action. We're not just talking foodstuffs here. It's also not just about the duty rate. It's also about import caps, inward processing and most important of all exports.
This is why we have trade deals....

[VNA]

If you make your import tariffs very low or zero, other countries will flood you with cheap goods

So we would be flooded with cheap Japanese whisky.  And the UK's biggest food and drink export Scotch Whisky, a 4 billion plus a year industry, would be destroyed. 

[fazersharp]

Rubbish.We will trade on WTO rules that set maximum tariffs BUT allow any member to set any amount of low (including ZERO) tariffs.The EU tariffs I was referring to are not EU to EU ones because they do not exist I was Obviously referring the ones that you have conveniently ignored which is the rest of the world. Currently within the EU we HAVE to apply what is called The Common Customs Tariff to the rest of the world which varies depending on the goods involved - anything from 0-36%.Leaving on WTO rules means that we can set our own which can be zero if we chose.

If only it was as simple as that......
If you make your import tariffs very low or zero, other countries will flood you with cheap goods. This will wreck your home production

We are talking about food/drink goods that we import because we can not grow them here so it wont wreck home production.
And by your own words it will only wreck production of sweeds and turnips. 

[fazersharp]

If you make your import tariffs very low or zero, other countries will flood you with cheap goods

So we would be flooded with cheap Japanese whisky.  And the UK's biggest food and drink export Scotch Whisky, a 4 billion plus a year industry, would be destroyed. 

Great, why should we care about that.

[mtread]

We are talking about food/drink goods that we import because we can not grow them here so it wont wreck home production. And by your own words it will only wreck production of sweeds and turnips.

Not forgetting Dazza's plonk.

[VNA]

Great, why should we care about that.

So basically, you are with Professor Minford, who stands alone as an economist, and wish to see the destruction of UK industry. 
What you are saying is that LEAVERS want a NO DEAL BREXIT so you can destroy this great country of ours.

[mtread]

Just to point out again :
1. Not all Leavers (by any means) want a No Deal Brexit
2. There isn't going to be a No Deal Brexit, no matter how much they want it, because
3. Parliament will decide what to do next

[fazersharp]

Great, why should we care about that.

so you can destroy this great country of ours.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin This from the man who doesn't want to be a part of this great country of ours.
To the leavers trait list we can now add two faced.

[YamFazFan]

Leavers tell the truth,

I'm sorry. I've just split my sides laughing  :rollin

Good job it happened now because according to Remain there won't be any doctors or nurses left here after the end of March. I should get down there quick

[YamFazFan]

Just to point out again :
1. Not all Leavers (by any means) want a No Deal Brexit
2. There isn't going to be a No Deal Brexit, no matter how much they want it, because
3. Parliament will decide what to do next

Seriously, am I missing something here. If Parliament votes down (rejects) May's Brexit deal in the second week of January and nothing more happens between then and the end of March, surely we just leave with no deal?. Without an Article 50 extension we automatically cease to be a member of The EU at the end of March don't we?.

[mtread]

Good job it happened now because according to Remain there won't be any doctors or nurses left here after the end of March. I should get down there quick

I'm giving blood next week. I'll ask 

[mtread]

Seriously, am I missing something here. If Parliament votes down (rejects) May's Brexit deal in the second week of January and nothing more happens between then and the end of March, surely we just leave with no deal?. Without an Article 50 extension we automatically cease to be a member of The EU at the end of March don't we?.

Yes but that won't happen. If Parliament votes down May's deal (including any changes she makes to it) the government will extend Article 50 while something is sorted out. All the signs are there. The EU has said the UK can extend without permission. Amber Rudd (May's spokeswoman) is looking to get consent for other options (ie EFTA & EEA). Mogg and Co failed to get her ousted and have spoiled it for another 12 months. All of the opposition parties (perhaps apart from the DUP) have said they won't allow a No Deal to go through. So it's Mogg and Co + the DUP versus the rest.
So there is a lot of bluff, double bluff and brinkmanship going on at the moment on all sides.
All to play for in injury time. 

[fazersharp]

Seriously, am I missing something here. If Parliament votes down (rejects) May's Brexit deal in the second week of January and nothing more happens between then and the end of March, surely we just leave with no deal?. Without an Article 50 extension we automatically cease to be a member of The EU at the end of March don't we?.

Yes but that won't happen. If Parliament votes down May's deal (including any changes she makes to it) the government will extend Article 50 while something is sorted out. All the signs are there. The EU has said the UK can extend without permission. Amber Rudd (May's spokeswoman) is looking to get consent for other options (ie EFTA & EEA). Mogg and Co failed to get her ousted and have spoiled it for another 12 months. All of the opposition parties (perhaps apart from the DUP) have said they won't allow a No Deal to go through. So it's Mogg and Co + the DUP versus the rest.
So there is a lot of bluff, double bluff and brinkmanship going on at the moment on all sides.
All to play for in injury time. 

Whatever happened to "No deal is better than a bad deal" 

The EU has said the UK can extend without permission.

Well of course they have because they are scared sh1tless that that 35billion is going to slip out of their hands.

[ogri48]

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Seriously, am I missing something here. If Parliament votes down (rejects) May's Brexit deal in the second week of January and nothing more happens between then and the end of March, surely we just leave with no deal?. Without an Article 50 extension we automatically cease to be a member of The EU at the end of March don't we?.

Yes but that won't happen. If Parliament votes down May's deal (including any changes she makes to it) the government will extend Article 50 while something is sorted out. All the signs are there. The EU has said the UK can extend without permission. Amber Rudd (May's spokeswoman) is looking to get consent for other options (ie EFTA & EEA). Mogg and Co failed to get her ousted and have spoiled it for another 12 months. All of the opposition parties (perhaps apart from the DUP) have said they won't allow a No Deal to go through. So it's Mogg and Co + the DUP versus the rest.
So there is a lot of bluff, double bluff and brinkmanship going on at the moment on all sides.
All to play for in injury time. 

Whatever happened to "No deal is better than a bad deal" 

The EU has said the UK can extend without permission.

Well of course they have because they are scared sh1tless that that 35billion is going to slip out of their hands.

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And to put that 35 billion into perspective..A million seconds is 11 weeks. a billion seconds is something like 32 years....

[mtread]

Whatever happened to "No deal is better than a bad deal" 

It's a bluff (and always was) to frighten wavering Tories into backing her deal.

Well of course they have because they are scared sh1tless that that 35billion is going to slip out of their hands.

More likely they are throwing her a lifeline. There would have been far more in her talks with the EU than we are being told.

[agricola]

Odd isn't it. Apparently, we Leavers are a bunch of thick twats who don't understand this business. But Remainers want another referendum whereby the youngsters, who have just left school and have no experience of life/politics/economics/social justice/war/poverty/work/finance etc etc, will bring them a victory.

Shame on you, for wishing to using the gullibility of youth to overturn the wisdom of generations of Englishmen

[mtread]

the wisdom of generations of Englishmen

Many of whom will be dead by the time the full effects of Brexit are realised