Quote:While we're talking about Lee Rigby, nobody seems to have mentioned the premeditated, cold blooded public murders of Jo Cox and Makram Ali. I wonder what caused those murders?
Makram Ali and Jo Cox?
Makram Ali was killed by Darren Osborne;
Quote:His trial heard he regularly read material from the former EDL leader Tommy Robinson and the far-right group Britain First, among others. “Over the space of a month or so, your mindset became one of malevolent hatred. You allowed your mind to be poisoned by those who claim to be leaders,” Cheema-Grubb told him.
Jo Cox was killed by Thomas Mair
Quote:“During the course of the murder Thomas Mair was heard by a number of witnesses to say repeatedly ‘Britain First’.”
Quote:He later said Mr Mair, in the run up to the killing, searched the web for Nazi material, the Ku Klux Klan, murdered Tory MP Ian Gow and Remain-supporting MP William Hague.
(05-03-19, 02:14 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?
I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.
Quote:[size=1em]There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.[/size]
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Are you racist?
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[size=1em]I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group. [/size]
[size=1em]To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens and to be honest their are enough White English/British Born and Breed Fucktards in this county that would happily shove a pike into you, without importing more fucking idiots.[/size]
This is a typical tactic...
When you realise you've said something stupid and indefensible.
You then start spouting other cases where right wing extremist have committed murder and you try and blame all the usual suspects using MSM sources in an attempt to deflect attention away from what you said in the first place.
We're wise to it .... You're both idiots. :lol
Quote: Makram Ali was killed by Darren Osborne;
Darren Osborne was heard to shout 'kill all Muslims'.
Look, all these are individual terrorist incidents, nothing to do with knife crime or the rise in the murder rate. They need different solutions.
05-03-19, 03:42 PM
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(05-03-19, 02:25 PM)dazza link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=25011.msg293891#msg293891 date=1551788100]Quote:As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm. Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.
And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.
I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.
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How about shutting the Scottish borders to keep the blue people out of England :rollin :rollin :rollin
Blue not being a political statement
05-03-19, 03:45 PM
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This has nothing to do with religion, colour, race, political beliefs that is just an excuse used to justify what they have done. I have dealt with all sorts over 30 odd years the thing I found that they have in common was the need/ability to kill to get their way or what they want. I might add the few that go out from prison and lead a good life never to be heard of for the wrong reasons have my admiration as the odds are stacked against them.
The trouble is Dazza, there we were trying to talk about knife crime and how to deal with the increase in the murder rate, and some other idiots dragged the conversation over to another anti Muslim rant :lol
05-03-19, 04:25 PM
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(05-03-19, 01:56 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.</blockquote>
Quote:Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!
I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.
Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek
But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol
Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
05-03-19, 04:25 PM
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Quote:[size=1em]I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group.
[/size][size=1em]To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens [/size]
OK. Xenophobic then.
Quote:Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as[size=1em] judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??[/size]
I suspect the officer in question might just be a little offended by your comment. He was, if I remember correctly faced with a man who appeared intent on stabbing him. The police officer took appropriate action in defending himself and unfortunately the suspect died. That is in no way acting, as you say, as Judge, Jury and executioner. The police officer did his job, again under the most extreme pressure, and acted in a professional manner.
(05-03-19, 04:35 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as[size=1em] judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??[/size]
I suspect the officer in question might just be a little offended by your comment. He was, if I remember correctly faced with a man who appeared intent on stabbing him. The police officer took appropriate action in defending himself and unfortunately the suspect died. That is in no way acting, as you say, as Judge, Jury and executioner. The police officer did his job, again under the most extreme pressure, and acted in a professional manner.
Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
(05-03-19, 04:25 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:[size=1em]I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group.
[/size][size=1em]To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens [/size]
OK. Xenophobic then.
Maybe the odd argumentative prick from Scotland, you could be right there. :rollin
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Quote:Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
What you said is;
Quote:The police acted as[size=1em] judge, jury and executioners [/size]
I do not believe that to be the case. I think the policeman in question did his job. To suggest that he acted [size=1em] judge, jury and executioners is quite repugnent. [/size]
[size=2em]OK . Xenophobic then.[/size]
Quote:Maybe the odd argumentative prick from Scotland, you could be right there. [img alt=:rollin]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/img]
Dunno why that came oot sae large. :eek
(05-03-19, 06:33 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
What you said is;
Quote:The police acted as[size=1em] judge, jury and executioners [/size]
I do not believe that to be the case. I think the policeman in question did his job. To suggest that he acted [size=1em]judge, jury and executioners is quite repugnent. [/size]
Twisted again for fucks sake........you couldn't make this shit up. Now you're back peddling....REPUGNANT !!!! You are a waste of space fella.
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
:z Anyway......... knife crime, what's the solution?
Quote:Twisted again for fucks sake........you couldn't make this shit up. Now you're back peddling....REPUGNANT !!!! You are a waste of space fella.
Nope, don't think so.
Quote:CCTV footage aired at the inquest showed SA74 heading towards Masood before moving backwards in an attempt to give the attacker a chance to stop before he opened fire. The officer, who wept while giving testimony, said he shouted at Masood to drop the knife but it had no effect. “He was going to kill me,” he said.
His colleague, known only as SB73, told the inquest he shouted warnings at the attacker, but Masood did not change direction or speed and carried on towards them. He said he could not think of a greater justification for having to fire.
Both protection officers quickly carried out first aid on Masood after he was shot. The inquest heard three gunshot wounds were found during an autopsy. The first bullet, which struck his upper torso, was believed to be the cause of death.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018...-concludes
In others words they acted appropriately. They did not act, as you claim, as "Judge, Jury and excecutioner."
You literally just shot yourself in the foot :lol
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
Quote:You literally just shot yourself in the foot [img alt=:lol]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/img]
Just checked. My foot is literally fine.
I suspect the word you are looking for is metaphorically.
But then again I have neither literally or metaphorically shot myself in the foot. 
A simple yes or no to my original post would have been good wasn't looking for a debate about who/why it's committed, but how do we stop or control it. Is it just humans who are capable of killing for other reasons than food.
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