Jihad Brides return to U.K!

[ogri48]

And now shes changed tack (the other day she said the Manchester bombing was justified) and is "expressing regret". theres a surprise huh :lol

[celticbiker]

I agree that the child is innocent in all this but ultimately she chose the wrong side and she will have to live with the consequences.
She may have been groomed by radicals and some may say that it's not her fault but where was the parental protection while this was happening, they were either complicit or negligent neither of which is good.
However, I don't trust any organised government to be straight with us and wouldn't be surprised if this is no more than a PR stunt and they sneak her in the back door or ship her off to Guantanamo Bay for interrogation.

[VNA]

Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do.  I cannot see it standing up in court.  I further suspect this is political populism.  A stunt.  The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.


Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc  They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another.  These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.


Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.

[VNA]

I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs!  And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors!  As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!

Decoke, you have heard of Iran Air Flight 655 I take it.  Shot down by the USS Vincennes.  290 passengers died.  Three months and 20 days after they shot down that commercial airliner the crew of the Vincennes returned home to a hero’s welcome.


Flight 655 was brought down on 3[sup]rd[/sup] July 1988.  Pan Am Flight 103 fell out of the sky on 21[sup]st[/sup] December 1988, not that I need to remind you of that date.

[celticdog]

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[size=1em]I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs!  And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors!  As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!![/size]

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Decoke, you have heard of Iran Air Flight 655 I take it.  Shot down by the USS Vincennes.  290 passengers died.  Three months and 20 days after they shot down that commercial airliner the crew of the Vincennes returned home to a hero’s welcome.

Flight 655 was brought down on 3[sup]rd[/sup] July 1988.  Pan Am Flight 103 fell out of the sky on 21[sup]st[/sup] December 1988, not that I need to remind you of that date.

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OK but two wrongs don't make a right, tit for tat doesn't solve anything.

OK People make mistakes, countries make mistakes- Shamima made a big mistake. I can accept that she was radicalised and I can also accept that as a young mother she should be given a second chance.
It would be both the British and the christian thing to do- give everyone a second chance, turn the other cheek. I fully expected her to be allowed back into the country and maybe even be a force for good, educating young people on the dangers of radicalisation and all that.

Then I heard her speak.

Spot on Sajid Javid, you made the right choice. A British Muslim prepared to speak out against antisemitism among other things, a man of integrity, even if I don't agree with your politics.





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Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

What a dangerous precedent  :eek 

[VNA]

I think it’s simply a matter of law and due process. 



And in fact the government appears already to have contradicted itself, the Home Office have stated -

“We do not make people stateless.”

If, as it is being reported, that Shamima is unbale to claim citizenship of any other country, then the UK cannot deprive her of her citizenship.


This looks like populist posturing.  A lot of time and money will now be wasted in the courts, only for the government to lose.


It’s also failing in our obligation to the Kurds who have fought tooth and nail to defeat ISIS. 



And wow, people celebrating a brainwashed 19 year old girl being left stateless in Syria with her days old baby.  Great Britain – fuck yeah!


And just as we are starting to push back the extreme Wahhabist Islam funded and promoted in this country by our Saudi allies (whom funded ISIS), the government’s pathetic populist posturing will be a gift to the Saudi trained Iman’s recruiting in the UK for the Wahhabist cause.

[mtread]

Yeah but it does draw people's attention away from Brexshit  :lol

[mtread]

What a dangerous precedent 

Presumably during WW2 we could have removed UK citizenship from some of the Royal Family and aristocracy?

[ogri48]

during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population. During the Iraq war kebab shops in Peterborough were freely advertising for freedom fighters to kill the british infidel. Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities. Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there. This will be a country of apologists and people who despise its history and heritage. Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently. This country that I know and love will be gone forever. I know that..its inevitable. I just hope its not until im long gone

[VNA]

FUCK YEAH! :lol

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during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population

You're missing the point. We didn't deport British Nazi sympathisers.

[Decoke Dave]

      Justice has been served!  Quite chuffed with Britain at the moment! [size=78%]    [/size]

[tommyardin]

I'll sit this one out. Caused enough trouble with my Brexit thread.

Sensible man.
After all you have caused so much shit to be spoken, I will not say by who because I don't want to embarrass VNA lol!  :eek [size=78%]  [/size]

[VNA]

Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities.

What the fuck are you on about Ogri?


As I have repeatedly stated this will be about due process and the rule of law.  Though sadly will now take some time, with much money wasted.

It is as simple as that.


As for my opinion.  Sajid Javid is just partaking in shameful populist posturing. 

[tommyardin]

How do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?

By slitting their throats?

I think VNA was asking a question not making a suggestion.

[tommyardin]

I guess one thing to remember is that Shamina  was being questioned and making the statements she did whilst still under the watchful eye of the Jihads.
I think if she had said that she now realises her mistakes and that the jihads are wrong and that she now condemns them for their actions and is now remorseful for her own actions, I think she would not have seen the night out in one piece, she was answering the questions in a manner that gave her and her children born or unborn the greatest chance of survival.
Seems to me she is doomed whatever she said, I know that she made her choices and that no one forced her initially to make those choices, but she was only a 15 year old kid.
And no I don't really know what to think, all I do know is that there are innocent children in the equation, possibly the age of some of our Grandchildren.   

[darrsi]

Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do.  I cannot see it standing up in court.  I further suspect this is political populism.  A stunt.  The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.


Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc  They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another.  These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.


Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.

"...just to play to popular opinion..."

Bit like winning, or acting on a majority vote you mean? :lol

[steve 10562cc]

Still sitting this one, but I'm not sure whether 2 certain members actually believe what they spout or are just very skilled wind-up artists 

[celticdog]

[size=1em]I guess one thing to remember is that Shamina  was being questioned and making the statements she did whilst still under the watchful eye of the Jihads.[/size]
[size=1em]I think if she had said that she now realises her mistakes and that the jihads are wrong and that she now condemns them for their actions and is now remorseful for her own actions, I think she would not have seen the night out in one piece, she was answering the questions in a manner that gave her and her children born or unborn the greatest chance of survival.[/size]
[size=1em]Seems to me she is doomed whatever she said, I know that she made her choices and that no one forced her initially to make those choices, but she was only a 15 year old kid. [/size]
[size=1em]And no I don't really know what to think, all I do know is that there are innocent children in the equation, possibly the age of some of our Grandchildren.    [/size]

That's a very good point, she was no doubt acting on survival instincts for herself and the child. However, even with the passage of time I very much doubt if she will ever be accepted as British.
Reminds me of an old joke, or put another way, she's made her bed now she's got to lie in it.

An old man walks into a pub, feet shuffling, back bent. He drags himself onto a stool and orders a beer. Putting the glass in front of him, the barman inquires about his sad face. The man answers with a sad and broken voice: “Do you see those boats, out there in the harbour? Those fishing boats on which the prosperity of this town is founded? I built those, with my own two hands. But do they call me Jones the boat builder? No. No they do not. Do you see the the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with my own two hands. But do they call me Jones the wall builder? No. No they do not. And the bridge, you know, that crosses the river? I built it, with my own hands! But do they call me the Bridge-maker? And the mill, that grinds our wheat, the mill I built? Do they call me the mill builder? No. No they do not.
But you shag one sheep……..”