General Election 8th June

[slappy]

Every time there is any kind of election it is a gamble, politicians from all sides have proved in the past that once elected they could not give a foc about the voters and that will never change.

[VNA]

If you want to pick out 3 words from a whole post and quote them out of context then that's up to you but when read all together anyone can see what I was pointing out, let me remind you

I didn't quote them out of context.  But hey, instead of just saying - whoops sorry what I really mean't to say was.... - if you wanna blame me for what you said, well fire away  :rollin

You know others are hoping that the whole EU will fall apart now.  I think a good few on this forum have expressed pleasure at the very thought of this.


  But what that would actually mean is 28 countries.  28 bureaucracies, 28 passport borders and customs, 28 sets of rules and regulations, 28 sets of safety standards, 28 sets of employment relations, 28 sets of tariffs or perhaps trade deals.  28 countries bitching and fighting with each other.  And lest not forget the history of Europe.


So basically, small to medium, if not large companies as well, in the UK would have to choose which of those 28 former members of the EU that they wished to trade with.  Cos frankly the costs of trying to trade with them all would sink or destory many sizeable companies.  All the european economies would shrink.



Meanwhile guaranteed rights to holiday pay, maternity and paternal leave, equal treatment for part time and agency workers, along with EU consumer protection, travel protections, the working time directive and many other benefits written into EU law will be torn up by the Tories.


You want me to tell you what I think, well if it isn’t bloody stupid, it’s at least fucking selfish.  Basically we need the EU but we are refusing to pay ball.


And of course my country Scotland voted to stay in.  Yet people in English bought into a xenophobic campaign built on false news and alternative facts that dismissed all expert opinion.  Further it looks like the stupid people in England whom have voted to leave the EU, ie they have voted to become poorer, have now going to vote for a total shafting at the hands of - make it up as I go along - Theresa May.


Yup I’m somewhat pissed off with the whole stupid thing. 



Stupid.  Yes, you better believe it.

[slappy]

I voted for Brexit, I am not stupid, xenophobic , selfish or any  other insult you want to throw and neither are most of the other people I know who voted Brexit.
The remainers are just pissed off because we did not vote how the so called experts and liberal elite told us how we should vote.

[VNA]

The electorate will get what the electorate deserves.

[Grahamm]

Pay bedroom tax, wtf!! she does not even pay the repairs for her gaff, what is it £390 million for Buck house.

    “The Crown Estate has already paid for the renovation [of Buckingham Palace] many times over by way of their contributions to Government revenue. In fact, they’ve already paid for it six times over in the last ten years alone having paid £2.4 billion to the Treasury over that period”

    Huffington Post, 21 November 2016

https://fullfact.org/economy/paying-buck...rbishment/

[Grahamm]

Here is the news: In the recent Local Elections UKIP lost almost all its seats, but gained overall control of the Conservative Party.

If you want to get rid of the Tories or at least stop them triggering a Nuclear Brexit because they're going to flounce away from the negotiations and claim that it's because of those nasty Europeans ganging up on them, the best way is to vote tactically for whoever has the best chance of beating the local Tory candidate:

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Grahamm]

Oh and for those saying that nobody wants Corbyn and that he's an "extremist" and people don't like his policies, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg

[fazersharp]

If you want to pick out 3 words from a whole post and quote them out of context then that's up to you but when read all together anyone can see what I was pointing out, let me remind you

I didn't quote them out of context.  But hey, instead of just saying - whoops sorry what I really mean't to say was.... - if you wanna blame me for what you said, well fire away  :rollin

Meanwhile guaranteed rights to holiday pay, maternity and paternal leave, equal treatment for part time and agency workers, along with EU consumer protection, travel protections, the working time directive and many other benefits written into EU law will be torn up by the Tories.

And of course my country Scotland voted to stay in.  Yet people in English bought into a xenophobic campaign

You keep saying

But hey, instead of just saying - whoops sorry what I really mean't to say was.

And

How can I know what you meant when you said something entirely different from what you actually now tell us you meant?  [img alt=:crazy]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/crazy.gif[/img]

    But I dont understand to what you are referring to Are you taking it literally when I say 
"I got" (of course I didnt "get" all by myself - just as I havent got out of the EU ) because everyone know that we are still in for the moment.

Meanwhile guaranteed rights to holiday pay, maternity and paternal leave, equal treatment for part time and agency workers, along with EU consumer protection, travel protections, the working time directive and many other benefits written into EU law will be torn up by the Tories.

We will just keep the EU laws that are good and make our own for others and if as you say the tories will tear up policies the if the public dont like it they will get booted out ----- and thats the point WE CAN boot them out - unlike the Eurocrats who are making our laws for us.

A scot calling the English  xenophobic  :rollin

[VNA]

and thats the point WE CAN boot them out - unlike the Eurocrats who are making our laws for us.

The officals in the EU are elected by the members of the EU parliament, that is the members that we elect.

But like I say, the elcetorate will get what the electorate deserve.

I just hope, as the UK hets the self destruct button again, that we in Scotland wise up and break up the UK.

[lew600fazer]

[quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=22397.msg259948#msg259948 date=1493975500]
Pay bedroom tax, wtf!! she does not even pay the repairs for her gaff, what is it £390 million for Buck house.

    “The Crown Estate has already paid for the renovation [of Buckingham Palace] many times over by way of their contributions to Government revenue. In fact, they’ve already paid for it six times over in the last ten years alone having paid £2.4 billion to the Treasury over that period”

    Huffington Post, 21 November 2016

https://fullfact.org/economy/paying-buck...rbishment/
[/quote]  So the statement by the government about funding for repairs to Buck house is just bullshit then is it. Crown estates contributions to Government revenue? do you mean like income tax? so they pay that the same as anyone else then? I pay income tax but I still have to pay for a new roof when I will need one. No one is giving me a free lunch in actual fact had £200 winter fuel allowance taken of me because I no longer live in the UK, never mind that I paid into the system all my working life and never once have I ever received any form of Social welfare benefit. I  live in France and from mid October until Mid March there was hardly a day the temperature went above zero!!! Not often do I agree with VNA but sadly Joe public in the UK is going to get well and truly shafted on June the 8th. PM May was a remainer but now she like fecking Boudica and jumped on the Brexit brigade leading the charge into economic ruin.
I have said it before but Tony Blair was the best PM the labour party and the UK have had in decades. People keep drumming on about the Iraq war. I remember Blair right up to the 11th hour tried to talk Baby bush out of going in to Iraq and Bush told him you are either in with us or not. If not we will go in on our own. I have no doubt in my mind he was also told by Bush if you back out you can kiss the one sided special relationship good bye. Again people blame him for the recession, it was the greedy banks caused the recession which was a WORLD recession not just the UK. At least if the Labour party that Blair dragged into the real world was still around today you would not be seeing the landslide victory we are about to, basically the working man and the poor in our society are about to get well and truly fuckedover.

[mtread]

Ask yourself, would the Tories had done the same as Blair in the Iraq war? You bet they would!

[VNA]

I have said it before but Tony Blair was the best PM the labour party and the UK have had in decades.

Bollocks Tony Bliar should be locked up and the key thrown away.

  Look there were two or three years where New Labour delivered from 1997-2000.  Minimum wage, windfall tax on utilities, signing up to the EU social chapter, the Scottish Parliament referendum, human rights act, climate change targets, outlawing fox hunting, record investment in the NHS etc..


But then it all turned to shit.  Self-regulation of industry including fatally banking.  Unlimited cheap credit and belief that asset values could only go up, PPP (public private partnership) and the reintroduction of the Thatcherite privatisation agenda.  Gordon Brown’s miracle economy as it was known – no more boom and bust we were told.  But there are no miracles.  The real qualified economic experts were side-lined whist Brown took advice from people like Fred Goodwin and Tom McKillop whom has resided over the biggest bank growth in modern history (RBS).  From 2004 onwards it was clear the UK economy was heading towards a big crash, but what few people knew about was the debt packaging and debt trading between banks, and with light touch regulation the fact that many financial instructions and multi-national companies were banking future profits.(it’s was like fantasy banking).  New Labour did not regulate the financial industry.  Meanwhile ordinary folks were buying brand new cars and popping off on expensive holidays based on the soaring value of their homes.  Many are still stuck paying off massive mortgages on properties now worth considerably less then their loans.  The MP's bought and sold on the mortgages we'd paid but they pocketed the profit.


That’s one of the big problems Labour has today.  The Labour party – New Labour resided over one of the most insular, greedy and corrupt governments in modern times.  Then you add in the – you couldn’t make it up but they did – Iraq war.


As I said back then – The Labour Party are now the enemy.



However, there is now an opportunity to claim the peoples party back.  But there are still delusional Labour MP’s, just as there are delusional punters like Lew. 



Though you have at least managed to get one thing right Lew.  Yes Blair was Bush’s poodle.  Never, ever again should the UK be anybody’s poodle.  Never again should the UK be involved in regime change.  Never again should the UK enter conflict on the back of bare faced lies.  Further it’s about time we started shutting down our bloody arms trading and cancelled the Trident renewal.  Tony Blair destroyed the UK’s reputation right round the world.


In the meantime, people need to grasp the opportunity that is the Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn.  But sadly, I can’t see it happening, certainly not whilst numerous Labour MP’s are on the phone to the Daily Mail bitching about their leader.

[nick crisp]

Hmmmm. I could have stayed in and read all this and contemplated politics for the day.
But foc it, it's all totally irrelevant anyway, so I went out in the warm spring sunshine for a ride in the Lake District instead:


































OMG!  :eek :hijack :2guns


:lol

[maddog04]

JC has a lot of followers but the media don't really give him the airtime like they do the Tories, especially the BBC which are a disgrace. Why won't TM face JC in a TV debate?.....coz he'd rip her up for arse paper. Make no mistake, they're running scared of JC. He attracts thousands when he speaks, look at TM....she has handpicked, closed door meets full of Tory supporters where any journos present are told what to ask/say and if they don't pre brief them to their question then they're not allowed to ask it.......its like a cross between N. Korea and old school KGB

If you want zero hour contracts as the norm and no health care for your children then vote Tory. If you rely on the NHS and you want free health care for your grandchildren then you must vote Labour (the Tories are working on dismantling it as we speak)
Once we leave the EU, the Tories will drive a coach and horses through workers rights plus they've pushed the National debt through the roof. She also wants a return to fox hunting

vote Labour or carry on with the Austerity where the average Joe gets poorer and the rich get richer

[VNA]

I suspect the turkeys having voted for Christmas last year will go and do it again this year.

Sadly.

[red98]

Hmmmm. I could have stayed in and read all this and contemplated politics for the day.
But foc it, it's all totally irrelevant anyway, so I went out in the warm spring sunshine for a ride in the Lake District instead:


































OMG!  :eek :hijack :2guns


:lol

nice one mr trimmer......you got my vote  :thumbup

[Carlsv8]

How can anyone contemplate voting for Mr. Corbyn, his IRA links outweigh any brilliance (though I think he is an ideological idiot) he may have. I may be biased after 26 years in the Armed Forces but some things cannot be forgiven. I'd lock him up.
Labour have no chance, they are not trusted or trustworthy and screwed up so many things last time. I'm not a 'Dyed in the wool' Tory voter, never went to University (got some O levels), come from a line of Joiners and Miners and am from County Durham, a labour stronghold, but wouldn't vote labour ever, I wouldn't let them run my bath, let alone a country. Imagine having Diane Abbot in charge of stuff, she's one of their top politicians, scary. 

[fazersharp]

JWhy won't TM face JC in a TV debate?.....coz he'd rip her up for arse paper. Make no mistake, they're running scared of JC.

I think the reason is that She ( May ) doesent want to give any legitimisation by being in a tv debate with him. I think the plan was not to join any debate and let it be a "runners up debate" with labour - greens and lib dem.

I think that they are worthless anyway and the only people who want them are tv executives = good for ratings     

[YamFazFan]

I voted for Brexit, I am not stupid, xenophobic , selfish or any  other insult you want to throw and neither are most of the other people I know who voted Brexit.
The remainers are just pissed off because we did not vote how the so called experts and liberal elite told us how we should vote.

Well said :thumbup

[VNA]

 

How can anyone contemplate voting for Mr. Corbyn

Well first they would have to reside in the right constituency.  This is not a presidential election.

his IRA links outweigh any brilliance

Mr Corbyn was not and is not a member of the IRA.

I may be biased after 26 years in the Armed Forces but some things cannot be forgiven.

Indeed, the British negligence that practically led to an almost apartheid Northern Ireland is difficult to forgive.  But NI proved once again that talking and political solutions and settlement is always preferable to conflict.

I think the reason is that She ( May ) doesn’t want to give any legitimisation by being in a tv debate with him.

She has a massive lead.  Why risk it in a debate?  She won’t score points in such debate.  Instead she’ll focus on stuff like ‘The One Show’ and talk about who puts the bins out in the May household.  Go figure.