BT023 Vs PR3

[pitternator]

have been running PR3 on my GS 1200 now since february, am on second rear in 5k miles( changed for the  june austria tour, so not fully worn out), front still about half worn after 5k..Basically all I can tell you is its the best wet weather tyre I have ever known since passing me test in 1976, period. On the GS I can corner hard in full confidance almost as fast as in the dry.An unbelievable tyre in poor conditions. Way way better even than the 023 which I do rate highly.In the dry its not as impressive as the 023 which have a very soft side  tread, but still enuff to scrape sidestand and pegs, which is all you can ask really.
Will be fitting them to fazer in due course , but am running some z6s to use them up( not as grippy as 023 but passable), still have a part worn set of 023 to use up then too...so its probably next year for that now.
But now all tyre sseem to have moved on yet again, so we is talking about " old" tyres !  :lol

[JZS 600]

T 30's getting a good write up in MCN

[stevierst]

I'm looking at T30's next. They look really good so far, promise of big mileage, and big grip!

[Grandma]

My bro-in-law had a set of angel st's on his tuned up mille. He rides like a demon, and is hardly off the throttle, hence why the rear lasted him only 2k :o
Damn good tyres. I'm on a contimotion rear on the fz1, and I can  edge them out with loadsa grip! Modern st tyres are great, why would you buy full on sport rubber? :-\

Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
[/size][/color]Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

[JoeRock]

Had both on a couple bikes now - I prefer the dry grip on the 23s as with the PR3s if you're getting on a bit with a powerful bike you can feel the tyre flexing slightly - apparently its due to the water slits. That said, the PR3s are amazing in the wet, to the point where back on my Ninja 9 with Nissin 6 pots I had a few unintentional stoppies in the pouring rain. I also prefer the slightly more pointed shape of the Pilots, helps them tip into corners a bit quicker and feel a bit more stable.

The two I'll be going for next I think though will be the Pirelli Angel and the new dunlop road ones, can't remember the name but had them recommended to me by a few mates now as a ST tyre you can genuinely do track days on

[PaulSmith]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.

[JZS 600]

I've got a T30 on the front, total control!

[fireblake]

021's were truly dreadful. The pair I had wore very badly,  the front was diabolical.  023's are sublime.  I had a fantastic ride into work at 5 this morning in the peeing rain with no dramas. 

[stevierst]

+1 on the 021, hence why they superceded it quickly! Had a pair on my R1, and the front let go a few times :o
Got a set on my thundercat I bought yesterday, can't wait to get rid of them. I'll have a set of maxxis diamonds on it next, a very underrated tyre!

[sadlonelygit]

Angel st update
now done 6k (which for me is unheard of).
Still got 2.5mm on the rear and i can only get it to spin up if i provoke it above 7k rpm.
Front is at 3mm but has worn badly at part lean angles so feels horrible tipping in.
I know what tyres i'll be using on my track day!

[Grandma]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
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Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!

[AyJay]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
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Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
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Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.


Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.


I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….

[PaulSmith]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
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Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
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Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.


Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.


I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….
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I think someone may have been mistaken. I don't doubt that the F8 came with BT 020, but that is the generic name for all Bridgestone Sport Touring tyres before the T30, and that might have been what the people you asked were answering.  Bridgestone stopped making BT021's before the F8 was invented, so Yamaha could not have bought any from them. Yes of course Avon, Bridgestone and the rest improve their products through out their life, but not after they stop making them.

[Grandma]

A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from  me as  I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles

[JZS 600]

I'm about to get a T30 for the back and just bought a VFR 1200 with Dunlops on.


I'll probably be changing to T30's on the viffer as the Dunlop on the back is near shagged at 2900 mls

[AyJay]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
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Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
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Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.


Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.


I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….
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I think someone may have been mistaken. I don't doubt that the F8 came with BT 020, but that is the generic name for all Bridgestone Sport Touring tyres before the T30, and that might have been what the people you asked were answering.  Bridgestone stopped making BT021's before the F8 was invented, so Yamaha could not have bought any from them. Yes of course Avon, Bridgestone and the rest improve their products through out their life, but not after they stop making them.
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Har!
Have to say I was surprised that they were still available following the post, but I didn't check. It is surprising which olde worlde tyres are still available though, like the Avon Speedmaster and BT-56s. I thought they were long gone.

[PaulSmith]

A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from  me as  I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles

Ask him to check the data of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are. 

[Mattsplat]

023's on the FZ, not pushed them yet .

Had Angel ST's on my K1300R, seemed to last well enough without any dramas.

[Noj]

I've had BT020, 021, 022 and 023. I've also had PR2's and PR3's. Now I've got Metzeler Z8's.

All of these were chosen for longevity and wet-weather grip. THAT's what they're good at! According to your post, you're not interested in either, so these are not the tyres for you. Look at Michelin Pilot Powers or Pirelli Diabli Rosso, etc, etc.

Yep! Get s my vote. I would go with what Mad Dog suggests.   Dry grip, there the chappy's.

[Grandma]

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A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from  me as  I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles

Ask him to check the data of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are.
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