Knife/any murders. is it time for capital punishment for those found guilty

[steve 10562cc]

The only thing prison does is keep the general public safe from convicted criminals for the period of their sentence and very little else despite you are told by the powers that be. If it did there wouldn't be so many return time after time to H.M UNIVERSITY OF CRIME. 

[darrsi]

The only thing prison does is keep the general public safe from convicted criminals for the period of their sentence and very little else despite you are told by the powers that be. If it did there wouldn't be so many return time after time to H.M UNIVERSITY OF CRIME.

Truth is, some people are just wired differently, also it can be to do with the way they've been brought up, their natural surroundings (ie: a lawless country compared to ours), drink/drug abuse, gang culture, some are just generally thick all round, and for others it will be a heat of the moment crime. No doubt greed and jealousy plays a big part too.
Then you slowly move over to self defence, which still has to be proven, even more so if the person who committed the act has previous form themselves. Just because you committed 10 similar crimes before, doesn't automatically make you immediately guilty of an 11th even if it does seem highly likely, hence the reason you're not supposed to divulge any previous crimes to a jury to stop any bias.
The other thing as well which can be hugely influential is trial by media, if the newspapers don't like you or have made up the jurors mind before a case has even gone to court then you are well and truly fucked.
Prison itself now has the problem of actually bringing some of the scummiest wankers in the UK together in the same environment, so this creates another gang culture inside that's worse than the ones outside. Not just the UK obviously, that's a worldwide problem.
Some people are career criminals though and either can't or won't change. I do think that the most savage ones that are overwhelmingly found guilty don't deserve food, a roof, and all forms of care at our expense and should be terminated.


[size=1em]The alternative of course is keep your head down, study, get a job, and be nice to people. Simple. [/size] :lol

[celticdog]

Arm the populace.

[steve 10562cc]

Nope that wouldn't work either celticdog most normal people couldn't/wouldn't plunge a knife into anyone or pull a trigger, or just hesitate untill it was to late.

[darrsi]

Nope that wouldn't work either celticdog most normal people couldn't/wouldn't plunge a knife into anyone or pull a trigger, or just hesitate untill it was to late.

A knife is much more sinister than a gun as it's up close and personal.
But if you're born into an area or country where you could see someone shot, stabbed or worse on a daily basis then it becomes the norm to them.
There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.

[DILLIGAFF]

IMHO capital punishment for indisputable guilt, such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, should be reintroduced. I am not interested in rehabilitating or reforming anyone like that. They chose murder, they should be treated equally.
Also IMHO there has been a gradual removal of discipline and deterrent over recent years. In my neighbourhood there are feral kids doing all kinds of mischief with no concern whatsoever for being caught or getting "a good telling off". Clearly they carry this through to adulthood and expect to get their own spoilt way in all matters.

[darrsi]

IMHO capital punishment for indisputable guilt, such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, should be reintroduced. I am not interested in rehabilitating or reforming anyone like that. They chose murder, they should be treated equally.
Also IMHO there has been a gradual removal of discipline and deterrent over recent years. In my neighbourhood there are feral kids doing all kinds of mischief with no concern whatsoever for being caught or getting "a good telling off". Clearly they carry this through to adulthood and expect to get their own spoilt way in all matters.

Not in a million years of seeing a shrink would the Lee Rigby killers show any remorse or have any remote chance of being reformed, as not only are they simple evil bastards, they are brainwashed religious freaks.
As I said before, the police should've done things American style and put them to rest at the scene, but instead they get to spout their bollocks to other naïve and gullible people inside prison, where if I had my way they'd be in solitary with nothing but four walls to stare at.

[VNA]

As I said before, the police should've done things American style

Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.

[darrsi]

As I said before, the police should've done things American style

Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.

Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!

[VNA]

Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.</blockquote>

Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!

I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.


Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek


But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol

[darrsi]

Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.</blockquote>

Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!

I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.


Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek


But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol

Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?

[VNA]

Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?

I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.

There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.

Are you racist?

[darrsi]

Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?

I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.

There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.

Are you racist?

Nope.

[dazza]

As I said before, the police should've done things American style

Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.

Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.


And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.


you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.


And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.




I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.

[darrsi]

[quote author=VNA link=topic=25011.msg293891#msg293891 date=1551788100]

As I said before, the police should've done things American style

Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of?    Hmmmmm.

Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.


And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.


you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.


And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.




I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.
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[mtread]

and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them

No they wanted the police to open fire and die as martyrs. They were terrorists.
While we're talking about Lee Rigby, nobody seems to have mentioned the premeditated, cold blooded public murders of Jo Cox and Makram Ali. I wonder what caused those murders?

[VNA]

And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.


you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.

Talk about twisting what somebody said. 

[VNA]

No they wanted the police to open fire and die as martyrs. They were terrorists.

Indeed.  So I am not sure what the parallel is with teenage knife crime and terrorism.


Further in the Lee Rigby case the police defended themselves, used appropriate force and made arrests.  They did not act as  judge, jury and executioners as Darrsi would have them. 



They acted absolutely 100% professionally under the most extraordinary pressure.

Nope.

But gang crime and knife crime is a foreign thing, an immigrant thing – really?  No such thing as white English violent crime – really?

[tommyardin]

Arm the populace.

That would certainly cut down knife crime  :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :2guns

[dazza]

I am the one that is retarded.

Fucking A+ for that comment VNA?...Finally something you've said that isn't a load of bollocks.