Tyre question

[darrsi]

[quote author=celticbiker link=topic=23444.msg271914#msg271914 date=1512243310]
Aah, I think you misunderstood.
You can spend 50 grand on suspension mods but they still have to be tuned to suit weather conditions and tires.
I have a list of suspension changes that my set up requires for different tires (brand and model) under different weather conditions (temperature and precipitation).
As an example pr4s require
Rear > 23mm pre load, 8 clicks compression, 7 clicks rebound.
Front > 4 turns pre load, 10wt oil with 130mm air gap,
2.5 turns compression and 1.5 turns rebound.

But the pp3s (same manufacturer) having such a vastly different side wall construction require.
Rear > 24mm pre load, 10 clicks compression, 8 clicks rebound.
Front > 4 turns pre load,  10wt oil with 135mm air gap, 2.125 turns compression and 1.25 turns rebound.

All in dry conditions and depending on weather conditions will get changed accordingly even between going to and coming home from work.
And don't forget, ride height can also be adjusted as the rear tire wears to slow the process, maintain weight distribution and prevent shear tearing on the front as it becomes over worked due to the changing weight distribution.

:eek :eek :eek :eek its quicker to walk
Never felt the need to fiddle, maybe - 10 stone at a push (with the UKs finest Sunday dinner onboard ) is just not enough to warrant it. Mind you I only need 1 set up ----dry
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:lol

[vinnyb]

Hi, sorry to kind of hijack the thread, but I think it's kind of relevant, I've got Dunlop D209 Qualifiers fitted, they're virtually new and I haven't had any issues with them so far but I haven't ridden in the wet yet and I'm a bit nervous about the first time I get caught out because I've read a few reviews saying that they're scary in the rain, has anyone here tried them? if so what did/do you think to them

[unfazed]

They will be fine,  not as good as the PR 3 and 4 in the cold wet as they are very slow to heat up, once you are aware of that then you should be fine.

[celticbiker]

Look out for lack of grip on the edges of the tyre in the rain. There is a lot of rubber there and not much in the way of sipes to disperse the water.

Unlike the PR4 which has lots of sipes and grooves.





It's the reason I change from PP3 GP to PR4 GT when the weather starts to get wet.
I've put the PP3 GP back on for the coming week as it looks like it's going to be mostly dry.
Think I'll have to dispose of them after this use though as they have got too many heat cycles on them and most of the oil has leached over the summer cycles.

[vinnyb]

Thanks for the feedback, I don't ride through the winter nowadays, I did 7 or 8 when I first started riding and decided I didn't like it but I have decided not to hibernate the bike this year, so I may get to ride it on dry, mild, cloudy days. I'll make sure I warm them up before I do my version of going for it in the dry and be careful in the wet until I get a feel for them. I don't entirely trust online customer reviews, some people will badmouth anything if they have a keyboard in front of them but I trust you guys to be honest. :thumbup

[Grahamm]

Hi, sorry to kind of hijack the thread, but I think it's kind of relevant, I've got Dunlop D209 Qualifiers fitted, they're virtually new and I haven't had any issues with them so far but I haven't ridden in the wet yet and I'm a bit nervous about the first time I get caught out because I've read a few reviews saying that they're scary in the rain, has anyone here tried them? if so what did/do you think to them

Following on from this hijack (sorry!) I'd appreciate if anyone could give me some advice:

Twice in my life I've had a front wheel slide out on me, once on a bicycle (I think I may have run over a crisp packet whilst turning a corner in the wet) and once on a moped (again in the wet, but for no reason that I could find, other than maybe just crap cheap tyres!)

As such, I'm always extremely careful on roundabouts and corners in wet weather (virtually tip-toeing around them sometimes) because, even though I've got very good reactions, in both of the above examples there was *nothing* I could do, literally it was slip -> bang

I've had the occasional twitch on the rear from putting on a bit too much throttle when leant over in the wet, however I'm much more worried about having the front go out on me again.

So is it more likely to a) have the rear go (potential lowside) which I have a chance of dealing with or b) for the front to slip and have no chance to do anything about it?

Does anyone have any recommendations for good (and safe) cornering in the wet?

[celticbiker]

This is exactly what I've been trying to get at previously.
It doesn't matter how much you spend on tyres, if your suspension and chassis aren't set up correctly you'll always have the same problems.
Where are you based? If it's not too far away from me (within 150 miles)  we could go out for a ride and have a look at your technique and set up if you want to.
The weather is supposed to be particularly bad this weekend. ?

[Hugh Mungus]

I've been happy with PR4's so when these one's wear out I shall more than likely get the same again.

For me it's not a faff. The changes can be made while the bike is warming up. You'd only be stood waiting anyway.
I spent 20 years racing so to me this is just what you do.

You are so used to doing this that it is 2nd nature.


I like to ride fast but not as fast as others. I set my suspension probably once a year and it tends to be set slightly soft because that's how I like it.

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg271897#msg271897 date=1512211897]
I don't think I have ever had a matching set front and back although have always been Bridgstones I think I may have a matching set now but honestly couldn't say without looking might be batalx 023s. I do fancy a matching set of pp3 after reading up on them, my rear is nearer to be replaced than the front but - an open question, how much benefit would I gain by loosing a bit of money mileage if I change the front early so I have a matching set of pp3s. Also there are deals on cheaper sets rather than buying separate isn't there. 
Just had a thought that I may even have an excuse to buy a new front based on age alone, but the bike is kept garaged out of the sun - but then again I only ride in the sun .

Fronts last longer than rears anyway, so if it's still in good nick i'd personally leave it alone and change it when necessary.
Or are you just looking for an excuse?  :lol
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Excuse wise I need to do the back before the MOT in the spring, the front has another two years of my low yearly mileage BUT it has a manufacture of March 2010 and was fitted April 2011 so next spring it will be 8 years old so maybe I can use that as an excuse to replace it, the back has December 08 and was fitted May 09.

If the pp3s are softer and wear quicker then that is fine with me as I run out of time before tread.

[celticbiker]

Pp3s actually last really well, I managed to get the same out of them as I do from the pr4.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=23444.msg271903#msg271903 date=1512220985]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg271897#msg271897 date=1512211897]
I don't think I have ever had a matching set front and back although have always been Bridgstones I think I may have a matching set now but honestly couldn't say without looking might be batalx 023s. I do fancy a matching set of pp3 after reading up on them, my rear is nearer to be replaced than the front but - an open question, how much benefit would I gain by loosing a bit of money mileage if I change the front early so I have a matching set of pp3s. Also there are deals on cheaper sets rather than buying separate isn't there. 
Just had a thought that I may even have an excuse to buy a new front based on age alone, but the bike is kept garaged out of the sun - but then again I only ride in the sun .

Fronts last longer than rears anyway, so if it's still in good nick i'd personally leave it alone and change it when necessary.
Or are you just looking for an excuse?  :lol
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Excuse wise I need to do the back before the MOT in the spring, the front has another two years of my low yearly mileage BUT it has a manufacture of March 2010 and was fitted April 2011 so next spring it will be 8 years old so maybe I can use that as an excuse to replace it, the back has December 08 and was fitted May 09.

If the pp3s are softer and wear quicker then that is fine with me as I run out of time before tread.
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After all the feedback and reviews i've read, plus your style of riding, i think matching PR3's will be perfect for you.
If you have a place that will fit them for you it's cheaper to buy from Oponeo then pay for fitting afterwards, you'll still save money than if you were to go into a shop with the whole bike.
I paid £110 for the PR4 and £15 to have it fitted (wheel removed from bike).

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg272074#msg272074 date=1512591085]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=23444.msg271903#msg271903 date=1512220985]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg271897#msg271897 date=1512211897]
I don't think I have ever had a matching set front and back although have always been Bridgstones I think I may have a matching set now but honestly couldn't say without looking might be batalx 023s. I do fancy a matching set of pp3 after reading up on them, my rear is nearer to be replaced than the front but - an open question, how much benefit would I gain by loosing a bit of money mileage if I change the front early so I have a matching set of pp3s. Also there are deals on cheaper sets rather than buying separate isn't there. 
Just had a thought that I may even have an excuse to buy a new front based on age alone, but the bike is kept garaged out of the sun - but then again I only ride in the sun .

Fronts last longer than rears anyway, so if it's still in good nick i'd personally leave it alone and change it when necessary.
Or are you just looking for an excuse?  :lol
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Excuse wise I need to do the back before the MOT in the spring, the front has another two years of my low yearly mileage BUT it has a manufacture of March 2010 and was fitted April 2011 so next spring it will be 8 years old so maybe I can use that as an excuse to replace it, the back has December 08 and was fitted May 09.

If the pp3s are softer and wear quicker then that is fine with me as I run out of time before tread.
[/quote]


After all the feedback and reviews i've read, plus your style of riding, i think matching PR3's will be perfect for you.
If you have a place that will fit them for you it's cheaper to buy from Oponeo then pay for fitting afterwards, you'll still save money than if you were to go into a shop with the whole bike.
I paid £110 for the PR4 and £15 to have it fitted (wheel removed from bike).
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Thanks I will look at them against the pp3s but the pr3 seem more geared to wet than the pp3s (obviously not at the top of my list ) not read enough of either to be fair but looking for something that cares not for longevity. 
I will be doing a ride in as I want to support my local fitter as that's all he does and wont rip you off with a replacement when a repair will do because if he gos I am left with dealers

[celticbiker]

As I get through 4 rears and 2 fronts a year I got fed up paying for fitting and having to go out to have it done so I bought a manual tyre  fitting machine.
Inside 8 months it's paid for itself and for a new compressor.
Can get a pair of pp3s for 155 quid and for them in under 15 minutes.. Each set of tyres I fit saves me 70 quid.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=23444.msg272084#msg272084 date=1512595733]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg272074#msg272074 date=1512591085]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=23444.msg271903#msg271903 date=1512220985]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=23444.msg271897#msg271897 date=1512211897]
I don't think I have ever had a matching set front and back although have always been Bridgstones I think I may have a matching set now but honestly couldn't say without looking might be batalx 023s. I do fancy a matching set of pp3 after reading up on them, my rear is nearer to be replaced than the front but - an open question, how much benefit would I gain by loosing a bit of money mileage if I change the front early so I have a matching set of pp3s. Also there are deals on cheaper sets rather than buying separate isn't there. 
Just had a thought that I may even have an excuse to buy a new front based on age alone, but the bike is kept garaged out of the sun - but then again I only ride in the sun .

Fronts last longer than rears anyway, so if it's still in good nick i'd personally leave it alone and change it when necessary.
Or are you just looking for an excuse?  :lol
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Excuse wise I need to do the back before the MOT in the spring, the front has another two years of my low yearly mileage BUT it has a manufacture of March 2010 and was fitted April 2011 so next spring it will be 8 years old so maybe I can use that as an excuse to replace it, the back has December 08 and was fitted May 09.

If the pp3s are softer and wear quicker then that is fine with me as I run out of time before tread.
[/quote]


After all the feedback and reviews i've read, plus your style of riding, i think matching PR3's will be perfect for you.
If you have a place that will fit them for you it's cheaper to buy from Oponeo then pay for fitting afterwards, you'll still save money than if you were to go into a shop with the whole bike.
I paid £110 for the PR4 and £15 to have it fitted (wheel removed from bike).
[/quote]
Thanks I will look at them against the pp3s but the pr3 seem more geared to wet than the pp3s (obviously not at the top of my list ) not read enough of either to be fair but looking for something that cares not for longevity. 
I will be doing a ride in as I want to support my local fitter as that's all he does and wont rip you off with a replacement when a repair will do because if he gos I am left with dealers
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No the PR3 was reviewed even on here as better in the dry than the PR4 for example.

[darrsi]

Got a nail in it  :'(

[YamFazFan]

As Blackadder said...the phrase rhymes with clucking bell :'(

It always seems to happen to a new tyre doesn't it.

Repairable?

[darrsi]

If it is the thin nail that is the only thing i can see, then it’s in the fleshy part so i’m taking the bike in on Thursday morning and i’ll get it properly plugged.
To be honest i thought my rear shock had a problem so it’s the lesser of two evils.
Still a bloody nuisance though, and you’re right, my previous tyre got a screw in it the day after it was fitted as well.

[Jamieg285]

Got a nail in it  :'(

So did I, picked it up last Wednesday.    Currently running with a Plug'N'Go to keep me mobile, but I've ordered the bits I need to do a proper patch/plug repair from the inside.

[fazersharp]

Rather than start another thread I am gonna add to this as its all relevant.
Been reading about the PR3s and came across Pilot power 2CT and they sound perfect for me, no one on here has ever seemed to mention them.

I have a BT 023 on the front fitted in April 2011 manufactured October 2010 with plenty of tread left but it is maybe a bit old now.
Back is a BT 021 fitted May 2009 manufacture date of 08 and that is ready to change almost down to the marker and done 7 k.

My ride for those who dont know.
I don't do wet
I do do cold
I don't do commute
I do do all year round
I dont do straight roads
I do do bends
I don't ride enough

[Grahamm]

I have a BT 023 on the front fitted in April 2011 manufactured October 2010 with plenty of tread left but it is maybe a bit old now.
Back is a BT 021 fitted May 2009 manufacture date of 08 and that is ready to change almost down to the marker and done 7 k.

If those tyres are really that old you really should replace them! After 5 or 6 years, even if they've not been used, the rubber in them may well have degraded to the point that they could fail catastrophically without warning.