General Election 8th June

[lew600fazer]

So VNA will you be voting Labour then in Scotland instead of SNP? well I never.
Tony Blair was one of the best Prime Ministers the UK have had since Adam was a lad. His biggest mistake was he stayed to long.
The Labour party is unelectable with Corbyn or even without him the British public are sick of the same old socialist crap, that was why new Labour was invented.

[VNA]

So VNA will you be voting Labour then in Scotland instead of SNP? well I never.

I want independence for Scotland but I am by no means a big fan of the SNP.

Tony Blair was one of the best Prime Ministers the UK have had since Adam was a lad. His biggest mistake was he stayed to long.

He was one of the worst.  He also sold us socialism but delivered more capitalist policy.  Not only did we have arguably one of the worst PM’s ever, if not the worst but we had the worst chancellor of all time – Gordon Brown – I mean one of Gordon’s informal advisors was Sir Fred the Shred.  From PPI through to endless cheap credit driving a housing price boom (not much use for ordinary working people) The Blue Labour party lead us into the biggest recession in history. 



But as for Tony’s biggest mistake, and frankly his outrageous lie – that was the war in Iraq.  Those lies have led to the death of 100,000’s and displaced millions whilst destroying whole countries and have ultimately delivered ISIS. 
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Labour party is unelectable with Corbyn or even without him the British public are sick of the same old socialist crap, that was why new Labour was invented.

Corbyn is unelectable just as Miliband was because his party – the MP’s – will not support him.  Yes there is a thirst for socialism and a fair society in the UK.  But the Labour party has been badly damaged by it’s previous years in power, it’s Tory polices and illegal wars.  But the immediate problem is MP’s that will not respect the choice of the members.

[mtread]

If Corbyn is unelectable, it's because the Daily Mail and Express are (again) telling people how to think, and they are too stupid to notice.

[VNA]

If Corbyn is unelectable, it's because the Daily Mail and Express are (again) telling people how to think, and they are too stupid to notice.

  There is some truth to that.  Just the other day one of my Sun reading buddies at work told me that we don’t need an extremist Labour party.  I asked him what he meant and he picked out Corbyn.  So I asked him what where the extremist policies that he objected to.  He was lost for a minute, apart from stating that Corbyn was stupid to state that he won’t press the button (to fire a nuclear weapon).


Of course May who stated she will press the button and would even do so in a pre-emptive attack – well of course that’s not extreme is it?


But what are the papers doing?  They are running with the anti-Corbyn Labour MP’s.  It’s Labour’s own MP’s who have portrayed the moderate and sensible Corbyn, a man who really will stand up for ordinary people, as an extremist.


I’d ask you mtread who is the most hated politician (as far as the press are concerned)  in the UK in recent history.  I’ll tell you - Alex Salmond. Years of full on nasty vitriolic attacks from just about every major newspaper in the UK.  Nor is Salmond’s persona as a leader particularly fantastic.  A fantastically intelligent and cleaver man, a fine speaker but try as he might, and he has, he’s always just that bit aloof, superior and worst of all smug.  On the other hand, he’s straight down the middle, he doesn’t waver, nor does he crumble under pressure, he tells like it is and most importantly of all – he had the full support of his party. 


Despite the full on attacks, Alex achieved the impossible, with the support of his party he delivered a majority in the minority Scottish parliament, and for the first time in history the Scots were asked the question that they were never ever supposed to be asked……………………..


Corbyn looks useless because his MP’s will not back him.  Miliband lost a walk in the park election because his MP’s would not back him.  A leader cannot take a party to victory with a party full of snakes stabbing him in the back.


In Scotland Labour is a joke.  Guess what - Kezia Dugdale the Scottish Labour leader has attacked Corbyn.  Labour who once dominated in Scotland will do well to hold onto it’s only seat in Scotland.


We are looking at maybe the biggest Tory landslide in history.  And to blame the press is just to deny the real problem.

[slappy]

If Corbyn is unelectable, it's because the Daily Mail and Express are (again) telling people how to think, and they are too stupid to notice.

And you are too stupid to realize that most people do not read the Mail or Express and vote for whoever they want to and not who you would like them to vote for.

[VNA]

Indeed, they are too busy reading The Sun. 

[slappy]

Indeed, they are too busy reading The Sun. 

Nobody reads The Sun, they just look at the pictures.

[VNA]

A bit like the beano, but with occasional tits.

[mtread]

Look in any newsagents and at the piles of newspapers and see which is the highest. Then look at the kind of people that buy them. Look at the right wing racist propaganda they put on their front pages. Then tell me it's not brainwashing.

[Val]

Tony Blair was one of the best Prime Ministers the UK have had since Adam was a lad. His biggest mistake was he stayed to long.
The Labour party is unelectable with Corbyn or even without him the British public are sick of the same old socialist crap, that was why new Labour was invented.

+1 Blair was the best UK PM for the last 20 years. No wonder he won 3 elections.

Nothing wrong with Corbyn.

You mean except nobody from the general public wants to vote for him  :lol

I mean seriously he is by far too extreme.

[fazersharp]

Looks like Ukip have taken a battering in the locals - as well as Labour.
I think myself a tactical voter. A few years back I voted Lib dems because I wanted a coalition government, next I voted Ukip because I wanted to press for a referendum and send a message  to that effect, didn't want a ukip gov but just use it as a pointer to the current gov.

So I got a coalition gov
I got the referendum
I voted out
I got out
And now Conservatives have just about hijacked all of ukips policies and so no one now needs to vote for them (ukip ), as is shown in the locals.

Obviously I didnt do it single handedly but maybe I was not alone in using my vote this way.

Mrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible, you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us. The only problem is that the Conservatives will also use the landslide victory as an excuse to say that have a mandate for all kind of extra cuts and tax rises.

     

[mtread]

So which Labour policies announced so far are 'extreme'?
More pay for nurses?
More house building?
More tax, but only if you earn £80k?
You are not voting for a leader, you are voting for a party.
Otherwise, last time 2 years ago you voted for Cameron and got May.
Fazersharp is right, whatever you think about Brexit, if you vote Tory you are voting for a worse NHS, worse schools, more cuts, and god help you if you become unemployed.

[VNA]

I mean seriously he is by far too extreme.

What's extreme about Corbyn Val?

Fazersharp is right, whatever you think about Brexit, if you vote Tory you are voting for a worse NHS, worse schools, more cuts, and god help you if you become unemployed.

Indeed Mtread,  Yup, you are voting for zero hours contracts, a hire and fire culture, you are voting for a workers right to strike to be outlawed.  You are voting for Google, Amazon, Vodaphone and all the other multi billion pound tax dodgers to be exempt from tax, whilst we will all face stealth tax rises.  You are voting to support private firms scrapping their pension schemes.  You are voting for more benefits cuts, not just to the few dodgy claimants but the disabled and the truly needy.  You are voting for the renewal of the Trident weapons system, you are voting to support ISIS supporting Saudi Arabia and dozens of other dodgy states around the globe as these are the people we sell our bloody arms to.  If you vote Tory you are voting for scum.

You are not voting for a leader, you are voting for a party.

Persoanlly I vote for the candidate first, the party second.  Sadly today people seem to vote as if this is a presidential election.

Then tell me it's not brainwashing.

 
Mtread, the biggest selling paper in Scotland is The Sun, then it’s the Daily Record, followed by the express and the Mail.  All of them vehemently anti SNP.  Only one small Scottish Sunday paper The Sunday Herald backed the Independence in 2014.  Practically the whole elite, the establishment and just about the whole media machine in the Scotland and the UK is solidly anti-SNP, yet ten years after first forming a minority government the SNP have just held their own at the council elections.


The SNP is a functioning political party, it has coherent message and above all discipline.


The Labour party is a fucking mess, and it’s gonna get screwed.


It’s as simple as that.

[celticdog]

The labour movement is focced. I don't think we'll see a left of centre government for at least the next 10 years. Pity really, as someone who has to work hard for a living, every life benefiting improvement has had to be struggled for. God Bless Robert Owen, Clement Atlee, Aneurin Bevan and all the others who looked after the little people who don't own land or factories to exploit.

[VNA]

I got out

Fazersharp;



The UK is still today a fully paid up member of the EU.  It has triggered article 50, which is a means to negotiate ‘our’ way out of our contractual membership of the EU.


It’s going to be far from simple.


Walking away, rather than a negotiated settlement, means tearing up those contracts.  Which in turn would not bode well for entering contractual trade deals with other countries.  Not to mention that the EU will always be bigger and stronger than the UK.

Mrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible

Mrs May is now campaigning for a hard Brexit, yet just a year ago she was a remainer warning of the dire consequences of leaving the EU.  Many people have suggested that May is the new Thatcher.  I’m sure she will be just as nasty, of not more so, but as I remember Thatcher’s politics were based on ideology, love it or loath (and I loathed it) Thatcher had a vision, she was if you like a conviction politician - she believed in what she was doing.


May on the other hand believes in nothing other than what will further her career.  This “difficult woman” as she says herself, is a conviction-less grubby narcissistic opportunist.


This will be a nightmare.

[fazersharp]

I got out

Fazersharp;

The UK is still today a fully paid up member of the EU.  It has triggered article 50, which is a means to negotiate ‘our’ way out of our contractual membership of the EU.

I know that -- you know what I meant  :rolleyes you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make -- like this I am going to do

Yup, you are voting for zero hours contracts

You know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them. Has Mc Donalds just offered to change from zero hours to contracted but there was not a massive take up

[mtread]

You know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them.

Yes, but a lot don't and have no choice, as it's all they can get. What is wrong is where a zero hours contract includes compulsory 24/7 availability, and disallows taking other employment. Employers having their cake and eating it, and disassembly of all employees' rights. But that of course is Conservative policy. 

[VNA]

Yes, but a lot don't and have no choice, as it's all they can get. What is wrong is where a zero hours contract includes compulsory 24/7 availability, and disallows taking other employment. Employers having their cake and eating it, and disassembly of all employees' rights. But that of course is Conservative policy. 

  Precisely Mr Mtread

I know that -- you know what I meant  [img alt=:rolleyes]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/img] you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make

 
How can I know what you meant when you said something entirely different from what you actually now tell us you meant?  :crazy
 
Look, seriously, many people believe that the UK has somehow left the EU when in fact it has only just begun to negotiate it’s exit.  Article 50 is the vague means by which we begin to negotiate our way out of our contractual obligations.  :deal

[fazersharp]

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I got out

Fazersharp;

The UK is still today a fully paid up member of the EU.  It has triggered article 50, which is a means to negotiate ‘our’ way out of our contractual membership of the EU.

I know that -- you know what I meant  :rolleyes you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make -- like this I am going to do

Yup, you are voting for zero hours contracts

You know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them. Has Mc Donalds just offered to change from zero hours to contracted but there was not a massive take up

[/quote]

If you want to pick out 3 words from a whole post and quote them out of context then that's up to you but when read all together anyone can see what I was pointing out, let me remind you

So I got a coalition gov
I got the referendum
I voted out
I got out

No one actually thinks that we are out yet, that is just mantra regurgitated by remoaners just the same as is the quote that says we didnt know what we were voting for and are all stupid.
Well lets just see if all the leavers are stupid as this general election will be a great test as its as good as a second chance vote on the EU referendum, lets just see how the lib dems do with their - stay in the EU stance, and what is labours stance - Im not sure anyone knows.

[mtread]

If the Brexshiteers vote in a Conservative majority, that still doesn't mean they aren't stupid. .... The only test will be to look back in say 5 or 10 years' time, and see whether we are all better or worse off (and not just financially). It's a gamble.