Coolant drip above engine- Fixed! Thanks for all your help :)

[mtread]

It's a bit like women and shoes, they don't really need them, they only have two feet and there's plenty of wear left in the ones they bought years ago, but it's not doing anyone any harm replacing them anyway. 

You mean replacing the women? I think quite a few of us have already done that :-)

[Graham53]

It's a bit like women and shoes, they don't really need them, they only have two feet and there's plenty of wear left in the ones they bought years ago, but it's not doing anyone any harm replacing them anyway. 

You mean replacing the women? I think quite a few of us have already done that :-)

Sooo true  :lol
On the oil front I just took my thou in for service but it had had fully synth put in by the Triumph dealer I bought it from and Yamaha stealer told me Yamaha don't recommend fully synth on the 600 or 1000 and if they don't recommend it why use it , so I caved and told em to change the oil , they probably just mugged me off for a few extra £

[mogster]

:'( i have tried both; fully is certainly smoother but didnt keep it in long either
      feeling like a greenhorn now :rollin nice to bounce this stuff around tho
                             

[darrsi]

:'( i have tried both; fully is certainly smoother but didnt keep it in long either
      feeling like a greenhorn now :rollin nice to bounce this stuff around tho
                           

The gear changing certainly does feel smoother without a doubt, that's why i think i've noticed it so much.
As far as i'm concerned, as long as it's 10w/40 then i can't see any issues.

[rw711]

re-read the zzr thread and it actually said dont use CAR synthetic oil because of the wet clutch- bike synthetic oil should be ok

I used to top up my CX500 and Gt 550 with car type oil when they used it but always tried to get bike specific oil for changes - one of the GT's I had and the CX had a thirst for oil so it didnt do any harm - the Gt 750 and the other GT 550 I have had never used any oil, nor has my ZZR .

[rw711]

It's a bit like women and shoes, they don't really need them, they only have two feet and there's plenty of wear left in the ones they bought years ago, but it's not doing anyone any harm replacing them anyway. 

You mean replacing the women? I think quite a few of us have already done that :-)

lol I'm pretty lucky she only buys shoes when they fall apart and loves going on the pillion - has been known to say I started going out with him 'cos he had a motorbike (23 years and counting ago) - I think I got a 'keeper'

Happy Christmas folks 

[darrsi]

re-read the zzr thread and it actually said dont use CAR synthetic oil because of the wet clutch- bike synthetic oil should be ok

I used to top up my CX500 and Gt 550 with car type oil when they used it but always tried to get bike specific oil for changes - one of the GT's I had and the CX had a thirst for oil so it didnt do any harm - the Gt 750 and the other GT 550 I have had never used any oil, nor has my ZZR .

After 29 years of biking i can only positively say i've only ever had one issue with a particular oil, and that was after using Castrol Magnatec.
The ad campaign at the time was pretty impressive, but after a weeks usage i just knew something wasn't quite right, and gear changing became a bit of a chore.
It was only then that i had a butchers at the container, and it really did blatantly say, albeit in small writing, "not suitable for motorcycles".
I would've known by now if there was any problems with fully synthetic oil in my bike, bearing in mind i am totally sensitive to the slightest noise change, squeak, heat change or anything whatsoever to be truthful.
All i know is, as previously mentioned by someone else, is that my gear changing is "silky smooth".
If "silky smooth" gear changing is classed as an issue then i'm perfectly happy to put up with this terrible situation. I can only imagine it being like filling your house with £50million of Lottery winning bank notes then complaining that you keep tripping over them, or Hugh Hefner tripping over nipples.  :lol

[rw711]

Well with the help of my friend got to the bottom of where the leak was, the exhaust is now sorted too.

Its where that shiny clip is, there was no clip on it at all! :rollin



- so that was easy enough,

Checked coolant and re-topped up , coolant was clean and new looking
checked fuel filter and that is very clean and new looking

Exhaust has had old jubilee clipe removed, neatened up and proper clamp fitted.

Bike does actually generally looked well cared for,  apart from the scratches and scrapes.
- The front tyre is border line, so gonna get a new one on the way.

[tommyardin]

This is the stuff that I use, cant be beaten. Unlike Tesco eggs, they can be beaten.

[tommyardin]

Not wishing to get that can of 'Chopped Worms' back out of the kitchen cupboard again. :'(


Please see the photo below that I took from the Haynes Service and Repair Manual for the YFZ600R and FZS600 Fazer 96-03.


Is Haynes wrong on this score?
or
Is the confusion about oils going to continue?


I have to admit to using fully synthetic Shell Advanced Motorcycle 4T oil in my FZS Fazer 600 ever since I have had it, and it was recommended to me by my local motorcycle garage.
But, if its the wrong stuff I will certainly take counsel from those that know.

[tommyardin]

This post or thread started out being all about a drip and maybe its finishing on a discussion about a drip.
Please inform me. :lol

[darrsi]

Not wishing to get that can of 'Chopped Worms' back out of the kitchen cupboard again. :'(


Please see the photo below that I took from the Haynes Service and Repair Manual for the YFZ600R and FZS600 Fazer 96-03.


Is Haynes wrong on this score?
or
Is the confusion about oils going to continue?


I have to admit to using fully synthetic Shell Advanced Motorcycle 4T oil in my FZS Fazer 600 ever since I have had it, and it was recommended to me by my local motorcycle garage.
But, if its the wrong stuff I will certainly take counsel from those that know.

Well that pretty much closes that discussion then doesn't it, as far as our bikes are concerned?


And rather than pay more for fully synthetic oil, as per manual, i've found one for a very decent price that does what it says on the container.


So for anyone else who wishes to give it a go, and i promise you won't be disappointed, here it is again:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synth...SwHQ9WXgZf


Or if you're having trouble getting past a semi, even more of a bargain:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super...SwoydWj6~Y




How on earth could you ever not want to buy this stuff after this review from "Irene" anyway, she sounds like a marketing dream  :lol

[tommyardin]

[quote author=tommyardin link=topic=21568.msg248597#msg248597 date=1482979740]
Not wishing to get that can of 'Chopped Worms' back out of the kitchen cupboard again. :'(


Please see the photo below that I took from the Haynes Service and Repair Manual for the YFZ600R and FZS600 Fazer 96-03.


Is Haynes wrong on this score?
or
Is the confusion about oils going to continue?


I have to admit to using fully synthetic Shell Advanced Motorcycle 4T oil in my FZS Fazer 600 ever since I have had it, and it was recommended to me by my local motorcycle garage.
But, if its the wrong stuff I will certainly take counsel from those that know.

Well that pretty much closes that discussion then doesn't it, as far as our bikes are concerned?


And rather than pay more for fully synthetic oil, as per manual, i've found one for a very decent price that does what it says on the container.


So for anyone else who wishes to give it a go, and i promise you won't be disappointed, here it is again:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synth...SwHQ9WXgZf


Or if you're having trouble getting past a semi, even more of a bargain:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super...SwoydWj6~Y




How on earth could you ever not want to buy this stuff after this review from "Irene" anyway, she sounds like a marketing dream  :lol
[/quote]
Tell me about it    :eek :lol

[rw711]

This post or thread started out being all about a drip and maybe its finishing on a discussion about a drip.
Please inform me. :lol

Started out about a drip... now on a drop! (Of oil) ?????

[tommyardin]

The trouble with any enthusiasts is that there are as many opinions on things like oil, filters, tyres, batteries and the like as there are different makes. The trouble is we all think we know best and maybe we do for our selves with our preferences.


Me I use fully synthetic engine oil, but, I can see the problems using it in an older engine that has been run on mineral oil all its life, synthetic oil has great scrubbing qualities that keep the inside of the engine really clean along with the pump and oil ways, but using synthetic oil in an old engine could release all sorts of crud and sludge that could actually block a fine oil way causing all sorts of lubrication issues.

Me I'm a Bridgestone Battlax man myself, other say they are shit in the wet, me, I'm made of sugar I don't go out in the rain for fear of dissolving, they certainly give me confidence, but then I have not tried any other modern tyre.


I'm also a Southern Comfort man, it's much to sweet some say, well foccing good job to they will not be drinking mine then.


Anyway Guys, this is a great forum and I for one am really glad I discovered it, I have had many a laugh on here, have been given and received, gratefully much excellent advice and help. And I am sure this will continue into 2017 and on to 2018, I just hope I do. (tommyardin = Old Bastard)


Hope you all had a great Christmas with those you love (Many your Yamahas)  also have a great New Year.


A quick joke for you , it's quite old and goes around now and again.


Princess Anne has an official Royal visit booked to visit Reykjavic Iceland.
Princess Anne's plane lands at Reykjavic airport and is met by the Icelandic Prime Minister, as they are talking the Prime Minister notices beads of sweat on Princess Anne's
face. Feeling a little awkward about looking and not wanting to appear rude he commented politely, I notice Mam that you have a fur hat on, in fact it's a hat made from Arctic Fox, we sometime locally call it Silver Fox here in Iceland, and it is a great insulator against the cold, but this is our summer and if you wish to remove the hat you might be more comfortable.
Princess Anne thanks him for his consideration but said that she had official counsel with the Queen before the trip and the Queen had said 'Where is it you are going again Anne?' I replied Reykjavic Mam and she said 'Where the fox hat'


Its the way you say it.
tommy.       

[rw711]

Great post Tommy and Happy Xmas & New Yr to you -

Totally agree tyres oil and consumable stuff is often personal taste, I dont mind reading through, when you come to a new bike, new manufacturer new forum etc, I'd only be looking at inane shite on facebook if not reading here.

Good thing if going to start using fully synth might be to run one of those oil cleaning flush agents through before dropping your last old oil before putting synthetic in ? Hopefully clear out the crap first - though someone may think they are only designed for cars too?

I've realised my front tyre if  it doesnt need replacing for MOT will need replacing pretty soon after its between 1.5 and 2 mm at worst bits and I wouldnt want to go out in the wet. Tyre choice comes partly down to price and limited delivery options as I live in a remote area (Highlands & Islands) - many online sellers wont sell bulky items cos of higher courier charges - its been in the news lately.  I couldnt find a replacement Metzler at a reasonable price/delivery online so am getting Michelin on the front and will follow suit on the back when needed.  Its a Pilot but I dont think it must be most recent due to price, probably old ones being blown out.

[darrsi]

Great post Tommy and Happy Xmas & New Yr to you -

Totally agree tyres oil and consumable stuff is often personal taste, I dont mind reading through, when you come to a new bike, new manufacturer new forum etc, I'd only be looking at inane shite on facebook if not reading here.

Good thing if going to start using fully synth might be to run one of those oil cleaning flush agents through before dropping your last old oil before putting synthetic in ? Hopefully clear out the crap first - though someone may think they are only designed for cars too?

I've realised my front tyre if  it doesnt need replacing for MOT will need replacing pretty soon after its between 1.5 and 2 mm at worst bits and I wouldnt want to go out in the wet. Tyre choice comes partly down to price and limited delivery options as I live in a remote area (Highlands & Islands) - many online sellers wont sell bulky items cos of higher courier charges - its been in the news lately.  I couldnt find a replacement Metzler at a reasonable price/delivery online so am getting Michelin on the front and will follow suit on the back when needed.  Its a Pilot but I dont think it must be most recent due to price, probably old ones being blown out.

Have you tried www.oponeo.co.uk , good priced tyres delivered to you, just take your wheel with your new tyre after finding a garage that will fit them for you, and you will still save money most likely.
There are normally 2 prices, one for a quick delivery, and the other if you can wait 4 or 5 days which will be the cheaper option. Obviously double check to make sure they cover your area for delivery.


Will I have to pay additionally for delivery? Delivery is free to the UK mainland. However, shipment to Northern Ireland and other UK islands will incur an additional delivery charge of £4.00 per piece. Please note that we do not ship to Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of Man. In addition, we do not provide a fitting service.

[Bimbam]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

[darrsi]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

The discussion is finished, the manual says fully synthetic is fine.

[tommyardin]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

Hi Bimbam (that will be Thank you mam  :lol )
[size=1em]I really don't know the answer, Haynes say it is OK to use fully synthetic, no, not just OK but they recommend its use, others say use only semi synthetic, because of the nature of the Fully Synthetic oil messes with wet clutches, but if you use Semi synthetic oil does it only semi mess with your clutch, that does not make any sense at all. It is either OK to use synthetic or not there can not be any half way.[/size][size=1em]IF Yamaha say no to synthetic oil either fully of semi, what the foc is the difference between a high revving 4 pot Yamaha engine and any other high revving 4 pot motorcycle engine.[/size][size=1em]The Fully Synthetic oil I use (and I am not saying it is any better or worse than any other make) is Shell Advance Ultra 10W-40 and it says on the label [/size][size=1em](Bearing in mind this is Shell and they are not exactly small in the field of oils and fuel)  'Ultimate Performance for ALL bikes'. [/size][size=1em]Now it seems to me that most makes of motorcycle have a wet clutch, I say most as there a few that don't , I believe that some Ducati have a dry clutch system.[/size]

[size=1em]Now if Shell are to make a BOLD statement like [/size]'Ultimate Performance for ALL bikes' I think it must be true, cos, they would be in deepest doo doo if loads of motorcycles across the world all started braking down because of misinformation on and about one of their products.

[size=1em]Plus what is the basic mechanical difference between one high revving multi pot engine and another? Its Pistons, Crankshafts, Valves, Bearings Camshafts and Lined friction plates coupled with plain steel plates in nearly all clutches, most run in oil and operate in exactly the same maner, plate apart no drive, plates together drive.[/size]
[size=1em]Basically as said in other posts, use what your comfortable with, and, if it all goes tits up you only have yourself to blame.[/size]
[size=1em]Pic below with writing on label clearly showing.[/size]
[size=1em]And of course Yamaha would love you to use their products [/size] :rolleyes  including their bloody expensive Fork Oil :'(