(06-12-17, 12:20 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=20030.msg231465#msg231465 date=1462616587]
Back in the 80s I had a round tin of solid wax oil that you put on a camping stove and melted it and then chucked your chain in - wiggle it about a bit and then take out to dry. It was a 125 with a split pin link so was easy to get off
Ahhhh! The old tin of 'Link-Life' graphite grease.
Pop in on the stove after washing the chain in Petrol or Paraffin, dry the chain and roll the chain up into a circle and lay it on top of the Link-Life and watch it slowly sink as the stuff warmed up.
Grab the tin with two pairs of mole grips and get the f--k outa there before you mum started screaming what the hell are you doing in there your stinking the place out. Hang the chain over the nail in the fence post and allow the Link-Life to drip back into the tin, ready for the next gauntlet run in your mums kitchen.
You reminded me of it Sharpie with your comment.
It was good stuff and set on the chain as it cooled down.
Going to look on eGay to see if you can still get the stuff.
The chain lube i use is either Motul or Motorex.
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You got spot on !!!!!!!!!!!!
Wouldn't think it good on today's o ring chains - all that heat.
Thanks for the input Darrsi and Bandit on the brake cleaner question
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
06-12-17, 01:00 AM (This post was last modified: 06-12-17, 01:02 AM by tommyardin.)
[size=1em]No sign of Link-Life on eGay, as you say Sharpie the heat would wreak havoc with the O or X ring chains of today.[/size]
[size=1em]Honest opinions from 'Scott Oiler' owners are they really messy? [/size]
[size=1em]I am anal when it comes to keeping my bike clean, and oil being slung all over the back wheel would be my worse nightmare. [/size]
[size=1em]Motul Chain Lube is great and does not fling off everywhere. its less than a tenner a can.[/size]
[size=1em]Scott Oilers are about £85 to buy, so not to expensive :rolleyes but the bikes I have seen them fitted to always seem to be shitty looking with cable ties hold pipes along the swing arm and dirty oil on the wall of the rear tyre and just about everywhere else at the arse end. [/size] :'(
[size=1em]I don't think it's for me (I'm talking myself out of it as I type) I only ride in good weather and then only cover about 2.5K a year that is about a cans worth of Motul.[/size]
why would you want to use any kind of engine oil that has a high fling rate
half of what is involved in chain lube is its stiction so it doesnt just fling away on your first ride
good tin of chain lube about £10 and is made for the job and has no acidic property's like the old oil technique
really old motorbike chains in a hot oil can loosen them off but we dont do that for everyday chains.
give your chain a proper clean then a spray (another good point) then if excess give them a wipe on the surface
as for which is best - than is personal preferance as everyday riders will use more so want to spend less and do it more
i just did a video about a useless chain oiling tool and said scott oilers have there places but really are not needed so took mine off
proper cleaning and lubing is the best way to get the most life from your chain - there are no shortcuts - there was but we have already taken them
06-12-17, 01:55 AM (This post was last modified: 06-12-17, 02:01 AM by tommyardin.)
Yeah bollocks to it, I'm sticking with the clean rear wheel approach, without oil over the side wall of the rear tyre, or cable ties on show.
Oh! by the way Motul do a chain cleaning spray as well, I have a tin in the shed so I think I will give the chain a good service tomorrow.
I have put the old girl into hibernation about 3 times already this winter but keep waking her up to do more things to her, I am talking about the FZS not the Mrs, she can stay asleep.
LOL :rollin :rollin :rollin
Tommy when you enter that shed the mrs ardin aint sleeping - she gets out her other lubrication device lol
after this weekends dirty ride (not mrs ardin) i too have a session of cleaning the bike and lubing up the spinning thing (that IS mrs ardin)
good old lubricant will do it fine (wont make a joke here)
taking your time to look after a bike is all part and parcel of ownership
similar to being married to mrs ardin
(tommy - i wrote this hoping you would see the funny side if she reads this i hope she thinks i am your alter ego and it is all you)
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I was given a can of Chain Cleaner recently. It does a wonderful job of cleaning the chain. It is also Brake Cleaner with a different label on the tin - smells just the same and evaporates just the same... It IS the same.
Scottoiler - I bought one many years ago and I have fitted it to a number of bikes over the years. I have kept fitting it mainly because I paid a fair bit for it and I'm gonna use it... BUT... I've not fitted it to my Fazer. WHY? Cos it's damn messy. It's difficult to get the flow rate right. You need one setting for short rides and then you need to remember to turn it down for long rides or your rear wheel will be covered in oil. It also starts to coat your panniers/rear plastics/the missus' gloves. It's a ball ache having to clean it off all the time.
Link Life is still available in my local speedway shop - That's cos the speedway boys use chains that don't have O ring seals. If you use Link Life on a chain with O rings you soon won't have any O rings as they will melt. Also, if you spill some on the kitchen floor cos your mum surprised you while trying to sneak out the door you will get the thrashing of your life followed by many hours scrubbing the kitchen tiles - You do not need to ask how I know this.
Old/new engine oil. I just haven't got the time for faffing around like this. I used to use old engine oil as it saved me some money but I just can't be bothered with it.
I REALLY MISS THE SHAFT DRIVE ON MY OLD FJR1300.
I am currently using spray cans of chain lube, it seems to work.
06-12-17, 07:30 AM (This post was last modified: 06-12-17, 07:52 AM by darrsi.)
I've always mainly used the Wurth chain lube for years now, simply found it better than any others i've tried, but after a heavy storm one day, and an oil change, i thought i'd use a paint brush with some oil to lube the chain thinking it would be great at really getting into the links.
I wiped off the excess and over the coming months i did it a few more times when the chain was still hot and even put the bike on the centre stand to spin off any oil that might drip when i put the bike away.
The result over the last 6 months, or maybe more, is that there is oil on the floor everywhere.
At home on the garage floor, outside of the garage where i normally oil the chain, outside work where i park the bike, then eventually it made its way onto the carpet indoors at home.
In short, it does the chain good without a doubt, but it's unavoidably bloody messy, so i'm back onto using the Wurth again and have already noticed how much cleaner my rear wheel is.
The bike's not covered during the day, and i gave up faffing about with a rain cover when it's pissing down and windy years ago, so the chain stays as lubed as needed to try and prolong the life of it and avoid sticking links as much as i can, although using the bike at least 5 days a week all year round probably helps too.
As for cleaning, i've always used WD40 on my X ring chain, with a proper chain brush which has always served me well and does the job, then i'll take the bike for a quick spin to warm the chain up before carefully lubing with the Wurth spray again. Always better to lube the chain when it's warm for best results.
The reason i use WD40 is because as mentioned before i don't want to totally degrease the chain, that would mean that when lubing again if you miss any small spot then it can be the start of a sticking link.
WD40 cleans the shit off a chain quite nicely but it is also deep lubing the chain at the same time, plus, as the initials say, displaces water which is all good.
After a good wipe down with a rag the Wurth spray will then follow afterwards.
Apparently WD40 is not a good idea to use with O ring chains though, but that is a can of worms i'm not interested in as i don't ever use them.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
still in garage after cleaning bike and giving the chain a clean -
hit it with pressure washer (divided opinions on such things)
gave it a spray with brake cleaner
sprayed again with jet wash (it was still out) wd40 on chain wheeled into garage as it was starting to rain then had a cuppa coated nicely in rock oil chain lube (must have got it from ebay) will wipe off the excess later before i go out to minimise fling
(06-12-17, 04:07 AM)Disorderlypunk link Wrote: Tommy when you enter that shed the mrs ardin aint sleeping - she gets out her other lubrication device lol
after this weekends dirty ride (not mrs ardin) i too have a session of cleaning the bike and lubing up the spinning thing (that IS mrs ardin)
good old lubricant will do it fine (wont make a joke here)
taking your time to look after a bike is all part and parcel of ownership
similar to being married to mrs ardin
(tommy - i wrote this hoping you would see the funny side if she reads this i hope she thinks i am your alter ego and it is all you)
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Yeah maybe she has one of those Twot Oilers I have often wonder what the cable ties on her thigh were for and the mess all over her rear end.
(06-12-17, 10:22 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: [quote author=Disorderlypunk link=topic=20030.msg272033#msg272033 date=1512529647]
Tommy when you enter that shed the mrs ardin aint sleeping - she gets out her other lubrication device lol
after this weekends dirty ride (not mrs ardin) i too have a session of cleaning the bike and lubing up the spinning thing (that IS mrs ardin)
good old lubricant will do it fine (wont make a joke here)
taking your time to look after a bike is all part and parcel of ownership
similar to being married to mrs ardin
(tommy - i wrote this hoping you would see the funny side if she reads this i hope she thinks i am your alter ego and it is all you)
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Yeah maybe she has one of those Twot Oilers I have often wonder what the cable ties on her thigh were for and the mess all over her rear end.
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(06-12-17, 01:00 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: [size=1em]I am anal when it comes to keeping my bike clean, and oil being slung all over the back wheel would be my worse nightmare. [/size]
[size=1em]Motul Chain Lube is great and does not fling off everywhere. its less than a tenner a can.[/size]
[size=1em]Scott Oilers are about £85 to buy, so not to expensive :rolleyes but the bikes I have seen them fitted to always seem to be shitty looking with cable ties hold pipes along the swing arm and dirty oil on the wall of the rear tyre and just about everywhere else at the arse end. [/size] :'(
[size=1em]I don't think it's for me (I'm talking myself out of it as I type) I only ride in good weather and then only cover about 2.5K a year that is about a cans worth of Motul.[/size]
This is also my feelings on scotoiler
Going to have a look and see if the paraffin has gone - if not then a quick blast of brake cleaner then lube.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
It's true, if you don't ride much then there's no need to worry about chain longevity. For me though chain and sprocket life is important, with an oiling system my chain lasts about 30000 miles (about 14 months), the fling factor isn't a problem for me as the bike gets washed every week anyway.
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(06-12-17, 12:46 PM)celticbiker link Wrote: It's true, if you don't ride much then there's no need to worry about chain longevity. For me though chain and sprocket life is important, with an oiling system my chain lasts about 30000 miles (about 14 months), the fling factor isn't a problem for me as the bike gets washed every week anyway.
I agree about it not being a real concern with very low mileages being done, and, to be honest I am not relying on the bike as everyday transport. (Summer Fun)
I clean my bike each time i ride it unless I'm going out on it again the following day, I do it to get the dead bodies off the screen, headlamps and fairing, the baked flies and bugs off the exhaust headers and radiator guard.
Don't say it! I know get a foccing life, but as Darrsi said in an earlier comment, half the fun of owning a bike is the fettling with it.
Well it is for me anyhoo :rolleyes
(06-12-17, 03:18 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: I agree about it not being a real concern with very low mileages being done, and, to be honest I am not relying on the bike as everyday transport. (Summer Fun)
I clean my bike each time i ride it unless I'm going out on it again the following day, I do it to get the dead bodies off the screen, headlamps and fairing, the baked flies and bugs off the exhaust headers and radiator guard.
Don't say it! I know get a foccing life, but as Darrsi said in an earlier comment, half the fun of owning a bike is the fettling with it.
Well it is for me anyhoo :rolleyes
not just fettling by the sounds of it, replacing fairings and dodging police because of all the people you have riden into hard enough for there lifeless bodys to stick to the fairing
Update.
Blasted out the last of paraffin remains, re lubed one link and roller at a time watched it bubble and run into the rollers. adjusted the slack and re torqued up and took it out for a test ride stopped after 3 miles to check the wheel was still on and went on my way for another 10 miles. Got back and added some more lube on to a warm chain.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Here is the fling from fresh allied lube which reduces after a couple of rides as it settles in. The folded up centre stand gets the most of it I think really that what comes off is just the amount I over applied in the first place.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
For those with OCD, I wrote two articles. One on (proper) chain lubrication (touching the wear phenomena) and one on various types of lubricants. It's meant for bicycle chains primarily, but the basic principles are the same. Links:
I found that chain wax doesn't hold as much crud and dirt as the sticky, stringy aerosol lubes.
Tried most types on and off road all through the year and stuck with the wax. Seems to be much like the stuff on brand new chains.
I wrote two articles. One on (proper) chain lubrication (touching the wear phenomena) and one on various types of lubricants. It's meant for bicycle chains primarily, but the basic principles are the same. Links: