The French causing probelms again.

[lew600fazer]

Breaking into lorries, then the driver gets heavily fined if they are caught in wagon. Harassing people trying get away on or coming back from holidays and generally making a dam nuisance of themselves.
Yes the west has a lot answer for interfering in the affairs of Iraq, Syria and Libya etc!This open borders policy across the EU has to stop. Yes it will affect me travelling back and forth between the UK France &Spain.
Did someone post earlier that the Italians are giving some of these refugees a train ticket out off Italy for onward travel to France? As usual the Italians washing there hands again.
The EU needs to man up stop the influx and those that get through are transported back to the country they left from.


Dare I say old Enoch forewarned of this https://youtu.be/mw4vMZDItQo


[color=rgb(37, 37, 37)]"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"[/color]

[BBROWN1664]

And what are they doing at the moment?

Breaking into trucks and ruining food/goods meaning the whole truckload has to be destroyed as it is contaminated as well as damaged trailers.
Breaking into security zones at Calais and Eurotunnel disrupting travel.
Stowing away in trucks leaving the drivers with large fines.

Do you really need any more things listed crickleymal?

[Grayo]

[slappy]

If you allow these illegal immigrants to stay anywhere in Europe then in effect you are saying to the people smugglers just carry on what you are doing.
The EU should be sending them all back no matter which country they land in and then using all that money they have
to find and jail the people smugglers, its not just this country that has a massive problem with illegals, most of the other EU countries are in the same position, the locals in those countries don't want them either.

[noggythenog]

In my street of 23 houses we have 2 polish families and 1 romanian family...they are proffesionals and largely are good neighbours....there are a few cultural differences shall we say.....when the street was still being built the Romanian guy pinched my other neighbours wheelbarrow...just walked down the side of his house and pinched it when he was at work....then he used it to half inch barrow loads of hardcore and sand from the workies......in that sense i dont think you could take Romania outta him no matter how much money he has the romany bugger :lol .


But yeh apart from that they are broadly simillar, polite and friendly and they look after their houses and kids....i cant really fault them...they have integrated.


But i wouldnt be so happy living next to some other nationalities....just too many differences....regardless of proffession or wealth.


I also grew up next door to a pakistani family for 16 years and they were also no hassle really.


But heres the thing.....i dont think entering another country should be any different than entering another persons house.


Would the supporters of these migrants be happy if they started walking into their house in the middle of the night?....they help themselves to everything else in the name of desparation so what makes you think they wont rob you or your family in desperation too.....regardless of how nice they are there are no jobs for them here and the system cannot cope...they have little skills and little prospects of a good and honest life....even the nicest person can do some devilish things if desperate enough.


They should only be here if they have been invited to be here....just like us in our houses.....simple as.....if they decide to come anyway then youd call the police or kick them out yourself and it is the police and government that should be doing more.


It's not on really and it's the do gooders and do nothings that will enable them and countless other undesirables to overrun everything that we hold so dear.

[Slaninar]

Smugglers take money and don't care whether their "clients" end up living in Europe, or get deported. Tens of thousands of those people left in my country and told it's wherever they were planning on going.

Most of those people were poor, desperate, sold all they had to look for a decent life. I don't blame them. I'd do the same for my family. It's not their fault they were born where they were born. UK has gained lots of it's wealth from exploiting colonies.  Nowadays it's done in a much more effective way - you make people have democracy, capitalism and make deal with the politicians to take loads of loans.


My girlfriend is going to work on a trans-atlantic ship since there are very little well paid jobs where we live now. 6 months cruise, 2 months home. I work 2 jobs now. Might (legally though) go to Germany, or Switzerland in two years time if nothing I'm planing here works out. Minimum wage here is around 1 euro. School teachers get under 400 euros per month.

[pilninggas]

And what are they doing at the moment?

Breaking into trucks and ruining food/goods meaning the whole truckload has to be destroyed as it is contaminated as well as damaged trailers.
Breaking into security zones at Calais and Eurotunnel disrupting travel.
Stowing away in trucks leaving the drivers with large fines.

Do you really need any more things listed crickleymal?

Apparently £250million/worth of goods were disposed of last year due to contamination by illegals - whether or not they actually travelled if the load is in anyway contaminated or damaged firms won't take the risk of being liable. I'm in 2 minds as to whether this is raw desparation or purely acts of destruction based on some skewed view of what the UK is like. I also worry that all of these 'refugees' are men (do they not have womenfolk or children) and many still seem to have resources for a smart phone and expensive sportswear.

[Phil]

So tell me!!! have probably paid a lot of money to get here, so they must have had a job to earn money to get here. If they have a job why are they leaving??
I am sorry but we have enough of our own young people who have no work and are having to live with parents etc!! more people landing on our shores we do not need.
Call me a Nazi if you like I am only saying what a lot of people are thinking. Let them in if you like but you are only stoking the fire and there will be a day of reckoning.

I wasn't saying we should let them in. Legally they have no right to be here. They need deporting back to where they came from (from the camps in France) if they are economic migrants and the trade in people smuggling stopped.
If a lot of people are thinking the way you are they should write to their MP/MEPs so the laws can be changed or the EU/UN as a whole to enforce the current laws. 

[slappy]

People do complain to their MPs and MEPs but nothing happens because you are immediately  classed as a racist or fascist  when the subject of  any kind of immigration control is mentioned.

[johnakay]

what I can't understand is why don't these lorries have locks on their doors .

[pilninggas]

People do complain to their MPs and MEPs but nothing happens because you are immediately  classed as a racist or fascist  when the subject of  any kind of immigration control is mentioned.

I contacted my local MP a number of times on this and similar matters. The response was usually generic and in all honesty patronising - to be fair the one time their researcher came back in detail was when I queried a news story ran by MCN that motorcycle VED was to rise much faster than inflation and more than other classes of vehicles; MCN had the story very wrong (surprise, surprise).

[mickvp]

what I can't understand is why don't these lorries have locks on their doors .

most lorries do have locks. they just bust the locks open when the driver stops overnight/for a piss/for food and climb in. some even sit under the lorries on top of the axles and just hold on  :eek

or slash a hole in the side if its a curtain sider.

[Dave48]

what I can't understand is why don't these lorries have locks on their doors .

Bolt croppers usually make short work of padlocks!
The humanitarian crisis is what worries me and we must(all western nations) shoulder our share of the blame for supporting crazy despotic regimes just so we can keep our armaments industries in business. And when its suited us to storm in & destabilize these countries. No wonder radical Islam thrives.
We dont as humans appear to be able to learn anything from history and seem doomed to repeat the same mistakes over & over again.
What would I do if i was desperate enough?-cant answer that since Ive been fortunate enough to have been born in the UK and benefit from our education system/NHS etc
Guess its easier for the Italians, Spanish,French to move the problem out of sight & preferably over the channel to us.
Yes we can blame our "elected" so- called leaders but theyre not about to "rock the boat"(excuse pun) are they. Perhaps true leaders only appear in times of national crisis like Churchill in 1940.
I dont care whether people call me a racist/pacifist/bigot whatever but I do care about my children & grandchildrens future-we kowtowed to Hitler until it was almost too late, but the whole system operates on fear & greed just like always!

[mtread]

The humanitarian crisis is what worries me and we must(all western nations) shoulder our share of the blame for supporting crazy despotic regimes just so we can keep our armaments industries in business. And when its suited us to storm in & destabilize these countries. No wonder radical Islam thrives.

indeed, and we continue to exploit these countries for political or economic reasons. The problem won't go away until wealth is redistributed from rich to poor nations.

Guess its easier for the Italians, Spanish,French to move the problem out of sight & preferably over the channel to us.

We don't have Schengen, and we are the only one of these counties to have a natural sea border. If you go to Sicily or southern Spain you will find far more migrants than at Calais. Germany has taken many more refugees than the UK.

[Billy Balthorpe]

If you go to Calais you will see these guys wandering round wearing new trainers, decent clothes and almost all of them have an MP3 player headphones either in their ears or round their necks. I'm not exaggerating these observations, this is what I saw, anyone who goes to Calais will see the same thing. In most cases they were dressed better than us.
When we peeled off the A16 onto the Eurotunnel slip road 5 or 6 guys came running up the embankment waving for us to stop, we ignored them of course, but I found myself wondering what they wanted, we were on fully loaded bikes FFS. Thinking about it the only thing we could have given them is cash, but do they really think people will stop on a motorway slip road and ask what they wanted with all the publicity thats surrounding them?

Something needs to be done short term, probably sending ANY person found in this country illegally from outside the EU back to either Calais or wherever they came from. Before anyone makes a comparison with the people who came from the West Indies in the 50's and 60's and all the "Send 'em back" rhetoric which was around years after, we ASKED those people to come here because we needed them, we did not ask the people trying to sneak in now to come here, we DONT need them!
Something also needs to be done long term, we need to stop making this country so appealing to them, but this will be difficult as they believe that they will be made welcome here, as told to them by the traffickers and the general gossip between themselves. The UK is the promised land, once you get in there's free money, housing, clothes, and when they get accepted by the authorities, the chance to bring over their families to increase their burden on the rest of us who are paying for all this. 

[pilninggas]

If you go to Calais you will see these guys wandering round wearing new trainers, decent clothes and almost all of them have an MP3 player headphones either in their ears or round their necks. I'm not exaggerating these observations, this is what I saw, anyone who goes to Calais will see the same thing. In most cases they were dressed better than us.
When we peeled off the A16 onto the Eurotunnel slip road 5 or 6 guys came running up the embankment waving for us to stop, we ignored them of course, but I found myself wondering what they wanted, we were on fully loaded bikes FFS. Thinking about it the only thing we could have given them is cash, but do they really think people will stop on a motorway slip road and ask what they wanted with all the publicity thats surrounding them?

Something needs to be done short term, probably sending ANY person found in this country illegally from outside the EU back to either Calais or wherever they came from. Before anyone makes a comparison with the people who came from the West Indies in the 50's and 60's and all the "Send 'em back" rhetoric which was around years after, we ASKED those people to come here because we needed them, we did not ask the people trying to sneak in now to come here, we DONT need them!
Something also needs to be done long term, we need to stop making this country so appealing to them, but this will be difficult as they believe that they will be made welcome here, as told to them by the traffickers and the general gossip between themselves. The UK is the promised land, once you get in there's free money, housing, clothes, and when they get accepted by the authorities, the chance to bring over their families to increase their burden on the rest of us who are paying for all this.

I totally agree with you.

If these were genuine refugees there would be women and children. There would be no smart phones. There would be much less tendency to threatening behaviour. These people are economic migrants and as such have no valid grounds to seek asylum in the UK (or anywhere else in the EEA for that matter). I wonder how many who have travelled from war zones are using Calais as a 'rat line' and pose a potential danger if allowed into the UK?

[Phil]

People do complain to their MPs and MEPs but nothing happens because you are immediately  classed as a racist or fascist  when the subject of  any kind of immigration control is mentioned.

Have you or anyone written to your MP/MEP and got that sort of response? If so please feel free to name and shame and do something about it.


This is what our current PM said recently.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/p...mmigration 

[lew600fazer]

Because of the stupid voting system we have in the UK,first past the post those who mention immigration will never get a fair shout in parliament.
The party that polled the 3rd largest number of votes in the last uk election was UKIP, 12.6% of the vote 1 member of parliament elected.


I am sorry to say this but if these people are willing to risk their lives crossing the Medi in some wreck of a boat let them but no way should they be taken onboard any other vessel to be rescued. The west has the naval power to turn these boats back to were they came from and that is what they should be doing. An old trick they use is when they see a ship they will set there own craft on fire to draw attention to the fact that they are now in distress and the law of the sea is that if possible they are to be rescued.


New trainers and decent clothing on these so called refugees , well obviously they are helping themselves when then break into wagons parked up for the night. I am really surprised that to date some poor truck driver has not been murdered in their own wagons.


I am a firm believer that the UK must lend more assistance to the French in the port areas of France to help kerb and control these scumbags. Like it or not that is what the vast majority of these illegals are. Every wagon should be stopped and searched before arriving in the port area and again when they get into the port. Open the back of a wagon and let a sniffer dog into the container the fact that it is a Rottweiler , Doberman or an Alsatian may prove to be an effective deterrent.

[locksmith]

I am a firm believer that the UK must lend more assistance to the French in the port areas of France

+1

Its now turned into a lawless scrum and something HAS to be done locally NOW or someone will get killed.

[BBROWN1664]

:agree

The French are turning a blind eye to it 99% of the time as they just want the people out of France and into the UK.