Oil recommendation?

[paulchucky]

oil mmmmmm  a slippery lubricant that allows things to move in and out smoothly 

[unfazed]

oil mmmmmm  a slippery lubricant that allows things to move in and out smoothly 

No, that is KY Jelly :lol :lol :lol

[paulchucky]

always change oil and filter at same time  why would you leave old filter on with new oil ???????????? makes no sense (for sake of what  4quid!! )
change oil+filter every year march time  ready for thrashing times  :lol


either use castol  or putoline  never had any issues with either

[Freza]

[quote author=Freza link=topic=13872.msg199560#msg199560 date=1434317782]
So, I've been riding with Motul oil that I changed 3 months ago and I must say I don't really like it...  :\
The gearbox in particular became noticeably harsher, gear changes louder and harder.
Even my friend, who had Fazer 600 a few years ago said he once put Motul in and never again, due to same reasons.
Gonna switch to something else as soon as possible, probably Castrol.

Try Fuchs Silkolene Comp 4 10w-40 XP Synthetic Ester Based 4-Stroke Engine Oil For High Performance Motorcycles

Long story short - the best oil ever! See details here:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-785-silkolen...ycles.aspx
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Just changed it to Silkolene Comp 4, and wow what a change!
Smoother shifting, even neutral to 1st doesn't clunk that hard anymore.
Excellent oil, made a huge difference, at least on my bike.
Thanks.

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[fazersharp]

Just done mine with castrol power 1 10w-40 4t semi synth
posted it here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,6412....#msg232264

[kgjersda]

Just changed mine to Castrol Edge Power 1 10w-40 Semi synth. It feels smoother now (placebo?)

The last oil change was done 1500km ago, but I don't know how much time has passed, so I decided to do it anyway since it was the previous owner who did the last one.

However, the oil filter was perfect and OEM Yamaha. The one I got in the kit was a generic Snell (but Hiflofiltro package). Is Yamaha OEM filter better than the Hiflofiltro/Snell filter?

[crickleymal]

However, the oil filter was perfect and OEM Yamaha. The one I got in the kit was a generic Snell (but Hiflofiltro package). Is Yamaha OEM filter better than the Hiflofiltro/Snell filter?

Nope. Most of the common oil filter makes are pretty much the same.

[Slaninar]

When people say they aren't happy with Motul oil, I'm prepared to bet a beer that they used either 5100, or 300 V.

There aren't many oils better for (4 stroke) motorcycles than Motul 7100 IMO.

[Freza]

When people say they aren't happy with Motul oil, I'm prepared to bet a beer that they used either 5100, or 300 V.

There aren't many oils better for (4 stroke) motorcycles than Motul 7100 IMO.

You can see from my first posts that I used a 5100 10w-40.

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[Tiercel]

I used this:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-5000-FZS...jeYeJeLcNg


Seems alright to me, surely oil is; oil does?  :rollin  Is it really worth paying double the price for Fuchs or Shell or some other premium brand covered in technical mumbojumbo like "Electrosyntec Technology" (wtf is Electrosyntec Technology ????) and shiny pictures to entice the people in Halfords?


Gear change is a bit clunky, but then its always been a bit clunky. I was under the impression thats just how Fazer engines are!

[darrsi]

I've just ordered some of this oil, it's got good reviews and is a decent price as well.    (click on the demagnified link, it will work)


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[Tiercel]

Never heard of that brand, a quick google shows theyre a "family run oil distributor" according to their website - http://www.westwayoils.co.uk/#!about/c10th


So they buy oil from somewhere, stick their own label on it and sell it on. If theyre able to sell it on at £20 for 5 litres, and make a decent enough profit to bother with it, they must be buying some dirt cheap stuff... if it looks too good to be true, it probably is! Or maybe Im just being too cynical!  :lol  Either way let us know how it goes, if it turns out to be good, for that price Ill stock up on it!

[darrsi]

Never heard of that brand, a quick google shows theyre a "family run oil distributor" according to their website - http://www.westwayoils.co.uk/#!about/c10th


So they buy oil from somewhere, stick their own label on it and sell it on. If theyre able to sell it on at £20 for 5 litres, and make a decent enough profit to bother with it, they must be buying some dirt cheap stuff... if it looks too good to be true, it probably is! Or maybe Im just being too cynical!  :lol  Either way let us know how it goes, if it turns out to be good, for that price Ill stock up on it!

100% feedback on 11,500 sales on Ebay can't be a bad start, and i literally haven't found anything negative whatsoever about the company, just constant praise about the really quick delivery times.
I also thought i'd give the fully synthetic oil a go as well as i've never tried it before, and at that price for 5 litres it was just too tempting not to give it a go.
I'm not a cheapskate or anything, i've used the overpriced Castrol oil several times in the past but you do get the impression you're paying over the odds for the brand name, and if you don't try these new products out for yourself then you'll just never really know if they're any good or not.
I'm sure it will be fine, but i'll keep you posted on my opinion anyway.

[Slaninar]

You can tell if oil is awful immediately, or after a short time.


You can tell if it is below average only after 30-50 k miles. Increased engine wear compared to wear with a good oil.


An oil test after 6k miles of the new oil you're trying out can help determine the quality.


The point is: people buying a different oil brand, pouring it at the oil change and saying "it's good" gives one only confirmation that the oil isn't awfully bad to cause problems immediately - clutch, gear changing, engine noise etc. But by no means can you be certain the oil is really good by "testing" it like that.

[darrsi]

You can tell if oil is awful immediately, or after a short time.


You can tell if it is below average only after 30-50 k miles. Increased engine wear compared to wear with a good oil.


An oil test after 6k miles of the new oil you're trying out can help determine the quality.


The point is: people buying a different oil brand, pouring it at the oil change and saying "it's good" gives one only confirmation that the oil isn't awfully bad to cause problems immediately - clutch, gear changing, engine noise etc. But by no means can you be certain the oil is really good by "testing" it like that.

So what exactly are you suggesting?
I change the oil every 4000 miles anyway.


The only way to test oil, is by using it.


I know every sound and feel of my bike as well, so if it's really no good i will know.


But if you read what i said earlier, there's been no negative feedback anywhere that i can find, which there certainly would be if it was even slightly ropey.
Word soon gets around if something is bad, but so far it hasn't at all, which is why i'm more than willing to give it a go.

[Slaninar]

So what exactly are you suggesting?

Nothing. Just pointing out that no negative feedback doesn't mean oil is good quality. It just means it's not rubbish.


Independent testing is needed to determine the quality of a certain oil.

[unfazed]

In this claim culture era, if there was a problem with the oil, they would not stay long in business.

Plenty of examples out there of oil oil burning new car and motorcycle engines from Japan to Germany which they have blamed oil and oil additives but were proved wrong by the oil companies.
VW went so far as to specify a specific oil type and spec that you need to put in their engines and will test the oil when they get a new failed engine and if it is not to spec you are on your own.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=13872.msg233157#msg233157 date=1464613511]
So what exactly are you suggesting?

Nothing. Just pointing out that no negative feedback doesn't mean oil is good quality. It just means it's not rubbish.


Independent testing is needed to determine the quality of a certain oil.
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11500 people with 100% positive feedback sounds pretty good to me!

[Slaninar]

11500 people with 100% positive feedback sounds pretty good to me!

If it's significantly cheaper than "brand name" oils, 11500 100% positive equals, IMO: it's not making any problems after pouring it (clutch slippage, engine noise, or loosing viscosity too rapidly). Does it protect the engine nearly as good as a brand name oil, or will it get worn after several change intervals - only time and independent testing will tell.


While with tyres I'm all about customer feedback, when it comes to oils, I'm more than sceptical.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=13872.msg233200#msg233200 date=1464640946]
11500 people with 100% positive feedback sounds pretty good to me!

If it's significantly cheaper than "brand name" oils, 11500 100% positive equals, IMO: it's not making any problems after pouring it (clutch slippage, engine noise, or loosing viscosity too rapidly). Does it protect the engine nearly as good as a brand name oil, or will it get worn after several change intervals - only time and independent testing will tell.


While with tyres I'm all about customer feedback, when it comes to oils, I'm more than sceptical.
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So will you believe ME if i say it's fine and great value for money?