the clarkson debate

[midden]

I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....

[lew600fazer]

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I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....
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Or a Canadian a Yank

[Rikki]

Some people seem to exercise their God-given right (can I say that without offending atheists?) to take offence at anything and everything a little too easily.

Anyway, here's Chris Rock's views on the issue:

Chris Rock - When Can White People Say Niggah?

[VNA]

Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;



Naggers:  Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover:  Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker:  A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks. 

Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,

Ten Little Niggers;



Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.


So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 .........  well best not to.

[lew600fazer]

Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;



Naggers:  Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover:  Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker:  A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks. 

Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,

Ten Little Niggers;



Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.


So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 .........  well best not to.

Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.

[VNA]

I assume you are being sarcastic lew600fazer.

Anyway back to Clarkson.  I've seen the clip and don't really quite know what to make of it.  It's as if he is trying to be funny by trying not to say the n word, and sensibly he decides it doesn't work.

Whilst Clarkson is a bit of a moron, he's far from stupid, and no I don't think he's a racist.  Clarkson however does ken exactly why that word is off limits and hence his groveling apology for, umm, not having actually said it, or sounding as if he muttered it or whatever.

So no, I don't see a problem and have no idea why there is a big fuss.

[mtread]

'Video mysteriously leaked' ! Hmmm
It's another Set Up by the Clarkson notoriety/publicity department, and we're all falling for it.

[ChristoT]

So a balding fart has quoted a nursery rhyme in a clip that was never broadcast (until it was leaked). Why exactly do we give a shit?

[ogri48]

lol. im more concerned about the dosh from my bastid licence fee thats been wasted on some of the stuff from the last series (the supermarket sweep springs to mind)

[DekF]

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Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.
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It's pale not pail. Do you realise the irony in that statement.

[Simon.Pieman]

lol. im more concerned about the dosh from my bastid licence fee thats been wasted on some of the stuff from the last series (the supermarket sweep springs to mind)

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The show generates huge income from overseas sales and easily pays for itself plus a very large profit which goes back into the service.

[ogri48]

Aha!
Then I was right the first time
The mans a national hero, and I can enjoy top gear once again without feeling guilty. Poor sods getting divorced now, that'll cost him...

[peterjca]

I'll push Cl*rkson under a bus. Actually, better still, feet first through a bacon slicer would give more pleasure.

Don't watch Top Gear as I'm not in the slightest bit interested in cars.

He's a twunt.

[Dead Eye]

Everyones A Little Bit Racist

[lew600fazer]

I assume you are being sarcastic lew600fazer.

Anyway back to Clarkson.  I've seen the clip and don't really quite know what to make of it.  It's as if he is trying to be funny by trying not to say the n word, and sensibly he decides it doesn't work.

Whilst Clarkson is a bit of a moron, he's far from stupid, and no I don't think he's a racist.  Clarkson however does ken exactly why that word is off limits and hence his groveling apology for, umm, not having actually said it, or sounding as if he muttered it or whatever.

So no, I don't see a problem and have no idea why there is a big fuss.

No, if you think it is acceptable to use the N word 23 times or so in your post?well I don't. Enjoy your forum will go somewhere else were bikes are actually discussed. Bye

[richfzs]

No point pretending the word doesn't exist, lew. That doesn't achieve anything.

I actually found Andy's list quite an interesting thing - educational, even. I struggle to see how anyone could read the post and think he's condoning the use of the word.

Still, if you're off, you're off, bye, sure you'll not be missed :thumbup

[mr self destruct]

[quote author=VNA link=topic=12928.msg146561#msg146561 date=1399312136]
Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;



Naggers:  Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover:  Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of    Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker:  A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks. 

Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,

Ten Little Niggers;



Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.


So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 .........  well best not to.

Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.
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Lew, VNA here is trying to address the debate about it being a racist term. It (and your reaction) serves well to highlight the fact that the word 'Nigger' is, and has always been, a derogatory term created by white people, and ingrained into white culture until relatively recently.

Anyway, getting back to the original point, I think we have a solution.  :b

http://newsthump.com/2014/05/06/bbc-to-t...te-button/

[ChristoT]

I for one am getting pissed off by the way we need to walk on eggs all the fucking time. Most of my black friends in Uni call each other "nigger". Listened to any rap "music" recently? The wheel turns, offensive words will become accepted again, and vice versa.

[VNA]

Yes as richfzs and mr self destruct have said.

No, if you think it is acceptable to use the N word 23 times or so in your post?

lew600fazer,

The reason I did that is to point out the history of the word and why perhaps one should avoid, or better still never let it pass ones lips.

Dictionary.com says "The term NIGGER is now probably the most offensive word in English"

Some folks are arguing that it's OK to use the word, but I argue that if you have half a brain and a little common sense it's not a word you should ever use.  But to make that case I have to use the word.

History should not be re-written, hidden away or denied, otherwise we can not possibly learn from it.

As for black people using the word nigger, nigga or whatever, my opinion is that maybe they should give more consideration to the argument put forward by Dean Atta and others.  I do not think it's a word that can be re-claimed or cleaned up.  I'd beg them not to use it, I hate that word, but then that's for them to decide.

I guess we've come some way since say Agatha Christie published her novel Ten Little Niggers, or the protrayal of black Americans in Oscar winning films as happy little slaves to their white masters and/or golly wogs on jam jars, but then we have still got some way yet to go.

As for the source of my "unacceptable" post, I cut and paste from the non profit education organisation The African American Registry - Nigger (The Word), A Brief History - http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_event...ef-history

There's a nice little interesting short video at the bottom of the page.

[mtread]

It has become such a horrible word because of the way it has been used. I'm sure Agatha didn't use it that way.
Take the word 'fuck'. Entirely different meanings depending on context