Quick straw poll - the welfare £26K cap - good or bad?

[Sunny Intervals]

Because you are a worthless piece of sh*t and I would feel physically ill every time I had to come see you to get my rent money. Plus I would probably have to fumigate my house when you move out, because you are so fuc**ng lazy you won't lift a bone-idle finger to clean the place. Now f**k off and get a job and stop using the internet to see what you can get out the system form free..."

That's me tarred then  :rollin :rollin :rollin

[adeejaysdelight]

Are you In or around glasgow dj? I'm looking. I must warn you tho, I get a government payout every fortnight

Yes, I am "in or around Glasgow". And if you get a giro, how the f**k can you afford a computer, never mind an internet connection? At least 20% of that is mine. ENJOY!

[adeejaysdelight]

Because you are a worthless piece of sh*t and I would feel physically ill every time I had to come see you to get my rent money. Plus I would probably have to fumigate my house when you move out, because you are so fuc**ng lazy you won't lift a bone-idle finger to clean the place. Now f**k off and get a job and stop using the internet to see what you can get out the system form free..."

That's me tarred then  :rollin :rollin :rollin

If I have offended anyone, I honestly don't care. Junkies, Dole-scum and thieves are not entitled to an opinion in my book. I feed your kid's and pay for your pay-as-you-go mibile for f**k sake, I don't need to listen to your selfrighteous s**t aswell. If you don't pay your way, you don't get a say.

[richfzs]

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[Sunny Intervals]

If I have offended anyone, I honestly don't care. Junkies, Dole-scum and thieves are not entitled to an opinion in my book. I feed your kid's and pay for your pay-as-you-go mibile for f**k sake, I don't need to listen to your selfrighteous s**t aswell. If you don't pay your way, you don't get a say.

:kiss Thank you kindly Sir  :kiss

[Grahamm]

If I have offended anyone, I honestly don't care. Junkies, Dole-scum and thieves are not entitled to an opinion in my book. I feed your kid's and pay for your pay-as-you-go mibile for f**k sake, I don't need to listen to your selfrighteous s**t aswell. If you don't pay your way, you don't get a say.

It's nice to see so many Daily Mail readers post in these forums...

[Major Rant]

It's nice to see so many Daily Mail readers post in these forums...

:agree  Maybe the bishops have got a point.

We need a better way of determining who is 'deserving poor' and who isn't.
Likewise we need to figure out who is 'deserving rich' vs 'undeserving'.

And then all we need is a series of well managed concentration camps.

But before that, we could have a TRIAL ...
"Fred Goodwin.... Why did you buy ABN AMBRO for silly money and then run off with all Her Majesty's money?"
"I was only obeying orders .. capitalist orders given by M Thatcher, J Major, T Blair and G Brown"

[BIG MAC]

Mr DJ, having been made redundant twice in a year and having an occupation which is not in demand it's been difficult to get by however for the last 6 months we have paid our bills and haven't seen fit to impose upon your 20%....and your £800 pcm deductions...It pains me a little to think that until redundancy my deductions were almost double that. I guess what I am saying is my 20% over the past 35 years probably entitles me to an opinion in your value system therefore feel free to go make love and travel...As it happens looks like I shall be commuting up to Glasgow from Portsmouth on a weekly basis from next month..so don't harp on about commitment etc. We are not all the same and I don't like your sweeping generalisations and assumptions...

[rustyrider]

But what we have is tax payers forking out for inflated rents paid to people with money invested in property.  This all comes back to Maggie selling off the council stock, the privatisation of the welfare state.

Bollocks, there's more 'social housing' about now than there ever has been.  All new developments must have at least 30% set aside for social housing.  But look what it's done for the rest of us.

I moved into a rented flat about 5 years ago.  New development where a few had been bought as buy to lets with the bulk bought by owner/occupiers.  Those that had bought had been told that the development was being aimed at essential workers so there were a couple of teachers, a serviceman, a nurse, two coppers and the rest were all respectable, professional people (if you count a professional footballer as respectable).  Even the rentals were let out to similar.  But, on the opposite side of the road was an identical block that was bought by the local housing authority and filled with the dregs of society.  I don't think one of them worked.  The one directly opposite me had a couple with 3 kids under 4 and the obligatory Staffie.  The only time this animal saw the outside world was when it was kicked out onto the balcony when it wanted a shit.  In 3 years I don't think I saw her dressed in anything other than a dressing gown while sitting on her arse watching telly.  Within 2 years the private owners were putting their places up for sale.  Of those that managed to sell, it was at a loss, to others that were buying to let as nobody else would touch them.  What had started out as a tidy looking, respectable area had turned into a slum and the amount of social housing increased even further.  I'll give it another 5 years before all of it will be rentals.

I got out and, while I would have preferred to buy, moved into another rented place.  This time a house, privately owned and in a village rather than a housing estate.  The letting agent came last week to do an inspection and make sure I wasn't trashing the place.  She was gobsmacked to find that I had pressure washed the driveway, repainted the garage door, repaired a drooping gutter and the place was cleaner than when I'd moved in.  It may not be mine but I live here and want a place that I feel comfortable inviting friends and relatives to.  Just because I don't own it doesn't mean I don't care about how it looks, unlike those that aren't paying the rent out of their own pocket.  If you don't have to work for something, why should you care about it?

Getting back onto topic, I think a £26k cap is too high.  I earn slightly over what this works out to as a salary.  I pay my own rent, rates, utility bills and food.  I own 3 cars and the bike, all bought and paid for, all taxed, Mot'd and insured and I still pay a percentage of the mortgage on the house I half own with my ex.  If I can do that on a net take home of £28k (as my P60 is laying here having just done my tax return), why the hell should anybody be given almost as much for doing foc all?

Meanwhile non of you care or want to do anything about the big money, the 100's billions pounds evey year that rich people avoid in taxation every single year.  The kind of money that can get this country out of the mess that's it 's in.

Not that nobody cares but it's totally irrelevant to this discussion.

[pitternator]

to my mind, this governments psycology is working ...all the attention is on how bad the welfare system is, how its to blame for everything. But then that is exactly how Thatcher worked, divide and conquer. FFS no tax payer wants to pay for ideleness, but all this posturing does is attack anyone who is a genuine case. And please do not be so facile as to suggest there are enough jobs out there for all the unemployed and they are on benefit just cos its better. There always is  a residual  amount of unemployed , possibly up to 1 million, made up of people who cannot work, dont want to work, or are between jobs. But the rest by and large are unemployed , looking for work.  Yet somehow now, these people are being branded " scum"... FFs I cant believe how the worm has turned.Its like going back to the dark ages.
Our welfare state should support genuine cases, and the way its going , the tories will soon convince you  there are none at all.

how long will it before the unemployed have to wear  a special badge, and get herded into camps...

whilst no supporter of VNA, its incredible  how much tax dodging by big companies goes on,big bonus culture is still rife etc... all of which escapes the media spotlight.Just remember it was not the poor , needy or unemployed who created this financial crisis...and witchhunts on them wont solve it either.

we need an welfare system based on need, which offers appropriate support , and more importantly a way out off welfare.Thats what we should be looking at.The decline of manufacturing in this country is as much to blame as a generous welfare state...we need more jobs and less reliance on imports.Get people working , paying taxes...thats how to balance the books, not by attempts to economically starve the needy.I never have believed we can sort the financial crisis out just by cutting what we spend...its  a self defeating  downward spiral. And to my mind, after 2 yrs of this government , we have a huge amount of unemployed and no debt reduction....I can see the UK bouncing along the bottom of this recession for years to come at this rate...

[locksmith]

So you have all my tax money!  [img alt=:eek]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/img]  The bulk of the cash is intended for the Landlord.  How it gets there, or doesn't, I never commented on.

VNA, the cash is intended for the person on benefits to rent a roof over their heads at the prevailing market rate. If that means them moving across town to a similar property thats a lot cheaper then that it what has to be done.

If you think all landlords are rich Tory b'stards then you are very wrong as well as very nasty.

[adeejaysdelight]

Mr DJ, having been made redundant twice in a year and having an occupation which is not in demand it's been difficult to get by however for the last 6 months we have paid our bills and haven't seen fit to impose upon your 20%....and your £800 pcm deductions...It pains me a little to think that until redundancy my deductions were almost double that. I guess what I am saying is my 20% over the past 35 years probably entitles me to an opinion in your value system therefore feel free to go make love and travel...As it happens looks like I shall be commuting up to Glasgow from Portsmouth on a weekly basis from next month..so don't harp on about commitment etc. We are not all the same and I don't like your sweeping generalisations and assumptions...

Take it easy there BigMac. I aint talking about guys who have worked all their days are are put out of work because our country went into ressesion. If you look at my earlier post, I am talking about the lazy bas**rds who DON'T want to work. Who sit at home an do fek all all day, and bleed the system for everything they can without any contribution. You paid your dues, I have only been working for 16 years (as I'm 32) and am happy to pay for my part. And if and when I need it I expect it to be there. I do not, however, like to see my money paying for some chav's new tracksuit and wine. You get where I'm coming from here?

[DILLIGAFF]

In defence of my post and subsequent reply.


When I was at school there were NO pupils who left without qualifications and unable to read and write.
Why. Because there was discipline and pupils were not left to decide whether they attended school or not without consequence.
Nowadays there is no discipline from parents or teachers and it is considered normal to abuse or even assault teachers.


And FYI my son was recognised to be dyslexic and went on to university and graduated with a 2:1, as did my daughter who is epileptic.


So I believe I actually DO know what I'm talking about and I believe that by following your advice to ..."Maybe leave this sort of thing to eductional professionals?? is why this country is in the state it is.

[VNA]

An investment banker, a Daily Mail reader and a welfare claimant are sitting round a plate with 12 biscuits on it.

The Investment banker takes 11 biscuits, then turns to the Daily Mail reader and says - "Watch out - that fucking scrounger is after your biscuit"

[oldmotherfoccer]

oh we are lucky enough to have 64 plots of "social housing" built on a former factory site at the back of our house, whilst some of them have been given to local people, we now have the cream of Nottinghams unwanted social problems living right behind us.  we are assured at the council meeting that these social houses were needed for "doctors, nurses, care workers" without whom we could not function as a town. why nottingham by the way in northants...... the houses were put out to tender, and there is a policy now to move certain families away from the area they came from to help them gain respect in a new neighbourhood !!!!!!!!!! and there was me thinking you earnt respect, buy not leaving sh*t everywhere

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

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Are you In or around glasgow dj? I'm looking. I must warn you tho, I get a government payout every fortnight

Yes, I am "in or around Glasgow". And if you get a giro, how the f**k can you afford a computer, never mind an internet connection? At least 20% of that is mine. ENJOY!
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Ye can sing for yer 20% mate. I'm having it. In fact, i'm taking a chunk of all your wages SUCKAS!!!!!

I hope you lot are happy to learn that your hard earned tax dollars are keeping my local boozer afloat. I'll justify that by saying its a charity that funds many theatre and art projects, but i don't think about that as I WANTONLY TOSS YOUR HARD EARNED AT THE STAFF FOR TIPS!!!!! WOOO HOOO



ANDYNASTYVERY

The cash is intended for the landlord, but it gets paid to the tenant (in glasgow at least) to promote independence blah blah blah. They often don't get it cos we're all manky smackhead alkies.

So "She DOES get the cash"

[Sunny Intervals]

Woman from CITB on BBC news 24 reckons 45000 jobs going to be lost in Construction over the next few years.

So glad that that Deejay will be able to differentiate by tone of voice over the telephone between

I would NEVER rent to a jobless dole scum again. Recently I advertised my pad for rent on gumtree, clearly stating NO DSS. Still, these F**king idiots email asking if I will take DSS, or why I won't take DSS. I say, "Because you are a worthless piece of sh*t and I would feel physically ill every time I had to come see you to get my rent money. Plus I would probably have to fumigate my house when you move out, because you are so fuc**ng lazy you won't lift a bone-idle finger to clean the place. Now f**k off and get a job and stop using the internet to see what you can get out the system form free..."

And the poor sods

guys who have worked all their days are are put out of work because our country went into ressesion. If you look at my earlier post, I am talking about the lazy bas**rds who DON'T want to work. Who sit at home an do fek all all day, and bleed the system for everything they can without any contribution. You paid your dues, I have only been working for 16 years (as I'm 32) and am happy to pay for my part. And if and when I need it I expect it to be there. I do not, however, like to see my money paying for some chav's new tracksuit and wine. You get where I'm coming from here?

Amazing ability you have then Deejay. seeing as you couldn't figure out that somebody you'd known for 26 years would take the piss

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[alan sherman]

4500 jobs to be lost in construction you say?  To be honest I'm not surprised with my recent experience of 'trades' in London.  Add in utilities to the pot of unreliable idiots with no professional pride or ability too!


it is interesting how DIY is so popular in this country.  Most other places in the world pay people to do stuff because it is cheaper (in an opportunity cost calculation), less stressful and you get a better job done.

[Phil TK]

4500 jobs to be lost in construction you say? 

That would actually be in the regulated part of the industry, ie architects, technicians and qualified/acredited contractors on large projects. The 'loft conversion' type worker is not included in the figures.

[alan sherman]

Ah, shame.  aren't they getting any HS2 / Hammersmith underpass work then?  Isn't the school building programme still happening?  Government has committed to spend on council housing too.  But I suppose office building, especially government office building has stalled.