Theft victim charged with murder after ramming thief off his motorcycle

[coffee]

!WOW! really suprised at that,I thought they'd find with manslaughter,I personally hope he somehow gets off because I really think it was just the red mist and the fact that his bike was an old cheap one tells you he hadn't got a lot to start with so it probably meant a lot to him and he just wanted to get it back,I don't think for a second he thought anyone would get seriously hurt let alone killed,just a tragic outcome because scum or not they're someones son/brother,mate.

[maddog04]

the point everyone is missing, is that members of the jury will decide on his fate and chances are, if there's bikers on that jury then they'll be doing their utmost to get him off


as someone who's done jury service, let me explain what you're up against


I had a paedo case, before we'd even sat down in the ante room, a grandmother on the jury said he's guilty.....I've got grandkids and we don't want him on the streets. As you can imagine.....the rest of us were shocked. We hadn't even gone into the courtroom to hear his name and she was adamant he was going down.
the defence QC was ok but the prosecution was QC was shit, got names, streets mixed up etc....so much so that I thought he was deliberately trying to catch out the witness but it continued.....he was just incompetent


2nd case was similar and to my surprise I thought they'd be on remand but the pair of them travelled in by train each day. Even as the judge took our guilty verdict, he addressed them in the dock and told them to report back to court after xmas for sentencing. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing.....I though they were being sent down on the spot


another mate had a young lad on the jury who said, I don't know much about life coz I'm young....I'll just go with the flow


I often wonder how many innocent/guilty people are in gaol or let off coz of jury members leanings

[darrsi]

the point everyone is missing, is that members of the jury will decide on his fate and chances are, if there's bikers on that jury then they'll be doing their utmost to get him off


as someone who's done jury service, let me explain what you're up against


I had a paedo case, before we'd even sat down in the ante room, a grandmother on the jury said he's guilty.....I've got grandkids and we don't want him on the streets. As you can imagine.....the rest of us were shocked. We hadn't even gone into the courtroom to hear his name and she was adamant he was going down.
the defence QC was ok but the prosecution was QC was shit, got names, streets mixed up etc....so much so that I thought he was deliberately trying to catch out the witness but it continued.....he was just incompetent


2nd case was similar and to my surprise I thought they'd be on remand but the pair of them travelled in by train each day. Even as the judge took our guilty verdict, he addressed them in the dock and told them to report back to court after xmas for sentencing. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing.....I though they were being sent down on the spot


another mate had a young lad on the jury who said, I don't know much about life coz I'm young....I'll just go with the flow


I often wonder how many innocent/guilty people are in gaol or let off coz of jury members leanings

I totally understand where you're coming from.


I've been called twice to do jury service, a few years apart, and it is amazing how you can make an initial presumption but then after hearing the evidence you find yourself being completely wrong.
And it only takes a dominant member of a jury who is more vocal than the others to try and take control and it can all go the way of their thinking.


I'll never forget during one case in the jury room one of the jurors said out loud "Can we hurry this up, i need to do my washing."
The bloke in court was looking at 3 years if found guilty.
I was not impressed and told him straight.
There were also 3 jurors who took no notes and could barely speak English either.


On these 2 incidents alone if I ever found myself in court I would have to plead not guilty in the hope that the jury were as incompetent as these few were.

[fazersharp]

Got a feeling that its going to turn out that the "biker" in the car has a past. 

[fazersharp]

Something else. Anyone ever come across their local "live" website -every region has one and they all follow the same layout and format - they are total sh1t full of fake news and lies and clickbate here is one referring to this case  https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...h-18256699
They say

"A mural paying tribute to biker Joshua Molloy who lost his life in a motorcycle crash has appeared on a pub wall".
They make it sound like he is totally innocent, no mention whatso ever that he was stealing the bike.

[agricola]

I believe that he was sentenced to ten years in prison on the manslaughter charge

[b1k3rdude]

I believe that he was sentenced to ten years in prison on the manslaughter charge

He looks as much of a crim and Maloy and his reckless driving doesnt change that impression.

[b1k3rdude]

• a grandmother on the jury said he's guilty.....I've got grandkids and we don't want him on the streets.
  
• There were also 3 jurors who took no notes and could barely speak English either.
  

Ive seen both of the above, jury of peers we are told... like f*ck.

"A mural paying tribute to biker Joshua Molloy who lost his life in a motorcycle crash has appeared on a pub wall".

Complain to Newcastle council - https://envirocall.newcastle.gov.uk/home/Report

[darrsi]

[quote author=agricola link=topic=26597.msg322143#msg322143 date=1608322831]I believe that he was sentenced to ten years in prison on the manslaughter charge

He looks as much of a crim and Maloy and his reckless driving doesnt change that impression.
[/quote]


That's kind of irrelevant though isn't it?
As you well know, the reason they don't disclose previous criminal history to jurors is because they don't want their opinions immediately swayed by their past.
Just because you may have murdered 9 people before doesn't make you immediately guilty of an accused 10th by default.


In this case he was initially the victim, which in turn then understandably enraged him, irrespective of what kind of nutjob he already was and had been in the past, which i don't dispute at all by the way.

[fazersharp]

I believe that he was sentenced to ten years in prison on the manslaughter charge

That sounds a lot to me. Its not like he reversed and had another go.

Wonder if he will be deported back to Romania when he gets released after 5 years.