Anyone bought an MT10 or MT10SP?

[bludclot]

Fantastically lovely? No. It's a good looking bike in an odd looking way, like many BMWs. I like to keep my bikes clean so spokes are not welcome in my house.


I have owned Hondas over the years - no problems ever, perfectly reliable. I have owned Yamahas over the years - never let me down, not once. Kawasakis too - generally reliable but brakes seem to need constant attention to stop them binding. BMWs - one (Rockster) and it let me down and was expensive to fix. So what am I supposed to think?


I have a good friend that has a new BMW every two or three years and they have given him a variety of problems, so I, for one, am not a fan.

[steve 10562cc]

Most BMW riders are out the same mould as most BMW car drivers T*SS*RS

[VNA]

I like to keep my bikes clean so spokes are not welcome in my house.

I think the spoked wheels look great.  But…..


I’ve ruled out a nine T as a daily ride because of them.  Those spokes are not sealed.  So the tubeless tyres have been fitted with inner tubes.  I suspect that means if you pick up a nail or a screw you have a very rapidly deflating tyre.


BMW have the know how to seal the spokes or use rims such that the spokes sit outside the bead.  I don’t see why anybody would want to go back to using tubes.

[VNA]

Fantastically lovely? No. It's a good looking bike in an odd looking way, like many BMWs.

It’s just - as the young hip things would say – awesome dude!
Look;

[VNA]

Yum 8)

[StuartGSXR]

The MT10 and the SP are an awesome bike in its class... when you look at the competition, most of them are using very old engines / tech ( GSXS1000 is a 2005 GSXR1000 engine thats been detuned). The Sp is a tricky one, when you add up the individual cost of the Ohlins electronic forks, Ohlins shock, colour display etc it stacks up.. but.. you would only need the Ohlins if you were using it on track a lot and if you were using a bike on track a lot it would not be an MT10 the SP is kind of the answer to a question nobody asked..
I work at a mutli brand dealership in Sussex (including Yamaha) we do not charge for a demo ride or swipe a credit card, there is a maximum excess of £750 if you bin it and all it will cost you is your petrol!

that said, it is brilliant on track, I had to go to Silverstone for "work" the other week and have several half hour sessions on track on the R1M, R1, MT10SP and even a Tracer 900 and the MT10SP was much fun!

[fazersharp]

I work at a mutli brand dealership in Sussex (including Yamaha) we do not charge for a demo ride or swipe a credit card, there is a maximum excess of £750 if you bin it and all it will cost you is your petrol!

So if I bin it I have to pay your £750 excess --- if so  why ? or if I damage it in anyway I have to pay for the repairs ? up to £750. And why do I have to put in my own petrol.

[VNA]

So if I bin it I have to pay your £750 excess --- if so  why ?

Cos you will have signed a bit of paper saying you will.
I don’t see what is unreasonable about that.  And if you don’t like the excess, and I didn’t like Glasgow Triumph’s excess, you can decline.  It’s up to you.

And why do I have to put in my own petrol.

MCS Kilmarnock gave me the MT10 with half a tank of fuel.  I got back an hour later running on vapours.  I did ask if they wanted me to pay for the fuel I had used.


Victor Devine Honda had run out of fuel.  A member of staff was for giving me cash to put fuel in it, but I was happy to stick a tenner in. 



Only Douglas Park BMW expected me to put fuel in, though they apologised for the lack of fuel that the bike went out with (about 5 miles from the dealership it was on reserve) I stuck 15 quid in.  I had the bike for 2 hours and to my surprise it still had plenty when I got back.  The boxer sips the stuff.


But naw, if dealers are giving you a bike for an hour or two, I don’t expect them to provide me with fuel. 

[fazersharp]

how come when i test drive a car i don't have to pay anything and they also put the fuel in.

[StuartGSXR]

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I work at a mutli brand dealership in Sussex (including Yamaha) we do not charge for a demo ride or swipe a credit card, there is a maximum excess of £750 if you bin it and all it will cost you is your petrol!

So if I bin it I have to pay your £750 excess --- if so  why ? or if I damage it in anyway I have to pay for the repairs ? up to £750. And why do I have to put in my own petrol.
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Correct, just like if you crash your own bike and there is an isurance claim you have to pay the first £xxx excess. If it is £100 damage you pay £100, if its £5000 you pay the £750. No different at all.
You have to put petrol in because running demo bikes costs dealers lots of money as it is. We get very little funding from manufacturers and it is common coutesy to bring it back with what it goes out with or everyone will bring them back on fumes so the next person out has to head for the nearest petrol station.Of course, if you think those "terms" are unreasonable you are more than welcome not to take our bike out 

[fazersharp]

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[quote author=StuartGSXR link=topic=25433.msg300573#msg300573 date=1563180488]

I work at a mutli brand dealership in Sussex (including Yamaha) we do not charge for a demo ride or swipe a credit card, there is a maximum excess of £750 if you bin it and all it will cost you is your petrol!

So if I bin it I have to pay your £750 excess --- if so  why ? or if I damage it in anyway I have to pay for the repairs ? up to £750. And why do I have to put in my own petrol.
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Correct, just like if you crash your own bike and there is an isurance claim you have to pay the first £xxx excess. If it is £100 damage you pay £100, if its £5000 you pay the £750. No different at all.
You have to put petrol in because running demo bikes costs dealers lots of money as it is. We get very little funding from manufacturers and it is common coutesy to bring it back with what it goes out with or everyone will bring them back on fumes so the next person out has to head for the nearest petrol station.Of course, if you think those "terms" are unreasonable you are more than welcome not to take our bike out 
[/quote]Still dont get why that is all so with a bike but not when I tak out a car for a test drive - also the car is worth a lot more than the bike. I took a car out a couple of weeks ago and the salesman drove it to the garage and put some petrol in and then I drove it from there.
Its having to pay the cost to fix - up to £750 that puts me off test riding a bike. Looks like the dealer making a nice earner out of repairs as the repairs also carry a labour cost which go's in their pocket whilstr also sourcing the parts cheaply I assume.

[VNA]

S

till don’t get why that is all so with a bike but not when I take out a car for a test drive - also the car is worth a lot more than the bike.

Don’t forget that it is your responsibility to ensure any vehicle that you take out on the public highway is insured.    You might want to ask more questions when you next take a car for a test drive.


Again, hire cars and curtesy cars and bikes.  It’s your responsibility – check the terms.  1,500 quid excess is not unusual on a curtesy car for example. 

Its having to pay the cost to fix - up to £750 that puts me off test riding a bike.

Again, It’s your responsibility to ensure the vehicle you are driving is insured, therefore it’s your responsibility to know and accept the excess. 

[fazersharp]

S

till don’t get why that is all so with a bike but not when I take out a car for a test drive - also the car is worth a lot more than the bike.

Don’t forget that it is your responsibility to ensure any vehicle that you take out on the public highway is insured.    You might want to ask more questions when you next take a car for a test drive.

They put trade plates on. Curtsey/hire cars are a completely different matter, we are not talking about those. 

Rather than have the possibility of up to £750 I would rather pay a sort of damage waiver £30 lets say, non refundable. BUT if I subsequently buy the/a bike then the £30 comes off the price. 

[StuartGSXR]

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S

till don’t get why that is all so with a bike but not when I take out a car for a test drive - also the car is worth a lot more than the bike.

Don’t forget that it is your responsibility to ensure any vehicle that you take out on the public highway is insured.    You might want to ask more questions when you next take a car for a test drive.

They put trade plates on. Curtsey/hire cars are a completely different matter, we are not talking about those. 

Rather than have the possibility of up to £750 I would rather pay a sort of damage waiver £30 lets say, non refundable. BUT if I subsequently buy the/a bike then the £30 comes off the price.
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Motorbike demonstrators do not have trade plates, but even if a vehicle is out on trade plates it is insured. Its simple, if there is a claim, there is an excess... regardless of who has the insurance. Your fault your excess.Also remember when you go out in a car you have the sales person sat next to you, not the same when you take a bike for a couple of hours... but as said, if you don't like the terms, dont take a demo bike out.. no worries

[VNA]

They put trade plates on. Curtsey/hire cars are a completely different matter, we are not talking about those. 

Of the three bikes I took out recently, only the Honda was on a trade plate. 

And it is all the same.  Whether it your vehicle, a demo or a curtesy, they have to be insured and there will be an excess.



I always ask about insurance and always read what I am signing.  The last time I had an accident on a bike, 20 odd years ago, it was on a curtesy bike.  I signed for a 500 quid excess.  But what I didn’t realise was that I was signing for the dealer’s comprehensive part of the insurance – ie their bike.  They did not provide me with third party cover.  They assumed as I had comprehensive cover my insurance would cover the third-party aspect, all they provided was insurance to cover the bike.  This wasn’t discussed – and as it turned out my policy did not give me cover to ride other bikes.


Now the police attended the incident and wanted to check details – and that’s where things got interesting.


And that’s why I am saying to you that it is your responsibility to make sure any vechicle that you are driving/riding has – 1. The legally required level of insurance and that 2. You are happy with the insurance arrangements in general.


So keep yourself right and as Stuart says it’s also your choice.

Looks like the dealer making a nice earner out of repairs as the repairs also carry a labour cost which go's in their pocket whilstr also sourcing the parts cheaply I assume.

I think dealers put bikes on to sell bikes.  I don't think they want punters trashing them - it can be a whole lotta hassle.  I would assume their priority, should you damage their bike, is to get it fixed and back on the road.  I’d guess if it’s under the excess, they’ll do that as quickly and cheaply as possible.

[VNA]

Anyway fazersharp, go on take an MT10 oot fae a spin.
And perhaps consider wearing a nappy or take a change of underwear.  It's one fun loving keen bike. :lol  Anybody can wheelie like a pro on that thing.

[fazersharp]

Anyway fazersharp, go on take an MT10 oot fae a spin.
And perhaps consider wearing a nappy

:rolleyes same old same old - just a different thread. 

[steve 10562cc]

fazersharp don't bite. C90 & MT10  :rollin :rollin

[VNA]

fazersharp don't bite. C90 & MT10  [img alt=:rollin]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/img] [img alt=:rollin]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/img]

God only knows what you lot are biting on now :lol

[coffee]

fazersharp don't bite. C90 & MT10  [img alt=:rollin]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/img] [img alt=:rollin]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/img]

God only knows what you lot are biting on now :lol

I think if you two met up it'd be a knuckle sandwich  :lol