Knife/any murders. is it time for capital punishment for those found guilty

[mtread]

And the alternative to defence liars are lying coppers determined to get a conviction, come what may.


So, not in my name you don't.

[DILLIGAFF]

Whatever happened to the "Mandatory 5 year sentence" for those found carrying a knife?We need more "snatch" teams to do random stop and searches and bollox to the PC lefties who scream harrassment.
Friend of mine was in London visiting his sister. He popped out to the local shops and was stabbed from behind in the liver, no reason, no warning. He was in intensive care for 3 weeks but fortunately pulled through, though he will never be 100%. Police suggested it may have been a gang "initiation" to prove how big and manly they are to stab someone in the back and run away.
How about compulsory conscription to the services to have it beasted out of them, learn respect and hopefully come out educated with a trade and some use to society.

[steve 10562cc]

Just bare in mind prison is just a university for criminals to hone their skills and knowledge in various methods and avoiding being detected of crime, and that for what it's worth is from experience of working within that system. 

[mtread]

I'm a 'PC lefty' but I fully support Stop and Search in the current climate.

[Frosties]

Whatever happened to the "Mandatory 5 year sentence" for those found carrying a knife?We need more "snatch" teams to do random stop and searches and bollox to the PC lefties who scream harrassment.
Friend of mine was in London visiting his sister. He popped out to the local shops and was stabbed from behind in the liver, no reason, no warning. He was in intensive care for 3 weeks but fortunately pulled through, though he will never be 100%. Police suggested it may have been a gang "initiation" to prove how big and manly they are to stab someone in the back and run away.
How about compulsory conscription to the services to have it beasted out of them, learn respect and hopefully come out educated with a trade and some use to society.

Now this is a good option. I'd personally assign 2 to every foot patrol - stick him right up the front to find those IED's. If he finds one then then call up the next. If they died they'd have done something of use by saving our boys.

[Oldgit]

Bring back the death penalty.

[steve 10562cc]

I'm sure the armed forces do not want the people that carry knives, first sign of a fire fight and the would bottle it big style. Would any of you want to rely on one of these idiots to cover your back?

[slappy]

You know, perversely Sharia law offers 3 options for this-


1) Retribution, simply demanding the killer also be killed,  2) Receive Payment of blood money in liu of  demanding the death of the killer,  or 3) The family of the deceased may forgive the killer.


Putting the views of the victim or victims families first now there's something new!

No good at all,
1 -  the  " killer" might actually be innocent.
2 -  rich people buy their way out, poor people can't.
3 - all well and good but ho in the family makes the decision.

[Grahamm]

You're going back in time though.

Yes, because those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana

These days you can't even blow your nose without being on CCTV, or with someone recording you on their phone, plus we have DNA science to aid us as well.

And ANPR cameras and trackers and so on, yet so many bikes get stolen and never recovered. So if they can't do that, what chance is there of catching murderers etc, even when such crimes happen so much more infrequently?

You'll still have the defence liars trying every trick in the book to get you off though, as that's what these shameless bastards do, even when they know you're guilty.

Yes, because *THAT'S THEIR JOB*!

EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.

Otherwise why don't we just go back to the old days of finding some likely person (especially whose face we don't like) and string them up from the nearest lamp post...?

[darrsi]

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You're going back in time though.

Yes, because those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana

These days you can't even blow your nose without being on CCTV, or with someone recording you on their phone, plus we have DNA science to aid us as well.

And ANPR cameras and trackers and so on, yet so many bikes get stolen and never recovered. So if they can't do that, what chance is there of catching murderers etc, even when such crimes happen so much more infrequently?

You'll still have the defence liars trying every trick in the book to get you off though, as that's what these shameless bastards do, even when they know you're guilty.

Yes, because *THAT'S THEIR JOB*!

EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.

Otherwise why don't we just go back to the old days of finding some likely person (especially whose face we don't like) and string them up from the nearest lamp post...?
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Stolen bikes are not exactly on top of the agenda for the police unfortunately. A bit like someone going into an Amsterdam police station and saying someone’s just nicked your pushbike.


And i know it’s their job, but i just fucking hate the way they lie and bend the truth for a very good living. And i also get the fact if they were defending me i would prefer the best outcome too.

[agricola]

I could support the death penalty for the very worst of crimes, like acts of terrorism and crimes like Brady and his accomplice, but its just never going to happen so we have to look at prevention. The biggest single impact was the removal of Stop and Search, dropped because t was deemed to be acting against the interest of certain sections of the community, and the government appeased them by removing S&S. Now we are paying the price. Coupled with police number reductions, budget reductions, holiday camp prisons, soft sentencing, do gooder liberals etc, the streets are under the control of criminals. Ask yourselves who is going to correct all this, who has the plans and policies, who has got the balls to stand up and speak out and act to correct this. My guess is no-one who has any authority, for fear of being labelled racist or any other of the labels currently being slung around. The knifers wont stop, because there is nothing in place to deter or prevent them from killing.

[mtread]

May says it's nothing to do with police numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019...heresa-may

[slappy]

May says it's nothing to do with police numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019...heresa-may

Well she is never going to say that it is to do witb police numbers !

[agricola]

May says it's nothing to do with police numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019...heresa-may

As the former Home Secretary, she has to say that. Can you imagine her saying that reduced police funding/numbers has had an impact, having been responsible for those reductions?

[VNA]

Right now you probably need stop and search as an emergency response.  But long term it will work against you. 
The problem is the stuff you wanna hear, the stuff that makes good Sun, Mail and Express headlines, well none of it works.
Another article on how we tackled knife crime here in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691

[steve 10562cc]

Some of the so called experts want to do a few shifts in H.M. UNIVERSITIES OF CRIME so they understand the what they are talking about. They might just change their tune

[celticdog]

I blame the parents.

[steve 10562cc]

That I am sorry to say parents and where you are born is not always easy answer to blame for peoples bad behavier though they are the easy target we all have the choice we all KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. it's a personal choice which road we take. Which I have been told many times by those that choose the wrong  road.

[darrsi]

Right now you probably need stop and search as an emergency response.  But long term it will work against you. 
The problem is the stuff you wanna hear, the stuff that makes good Sun, Mail and Express headlines, well none of it works.
Another article on how we tackled knife crime here in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691

How the fuck can they take the time to write that whole article, mentioning that 80% involved had been drinking yet no mention of drugs whatsoever???

[tommyardin]

The purpose of reduced sentences is to encourage rehabilitation and remorse. I agree, for the worst murders this is not going to happen. In those cases life must mean life, and it mustn't be pleasant.

Now not having ever spent more than one night in a police station, I really don’t have any experiences of incarceration.
My understanding was that criminals do not go into prison to be punished, but that the removal of their liberty was indeed the punishment, and ideally come out a reformed person.

But for premeditated murder, and I think anyone going out carrying a knife I think premeditation is infered, a life sentence should be a minimum of 25 - 30 years. For someone who has killed more than once it should be their natural life.