(07-08-18, 12:48 PM)Fazerider link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=24410.msg282813#msg282813 date=1533595374]
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.
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my NIP does state that if you have a paper part of your licence to send it and it will be retained & destroyed as it is lo longer valid.(I'm guessing that's if you don't have a photo licence. I thought you had to get your photo licence renewed every 10 years? (just checked & mine runs out in 2020!)
It ain't what you ride, it's who you ride with!!!
I've only recently got a photo type license and there is no longer any accompanying paperwork, which I believe was the case when ID licenses first came out.
Having a photo style license did me a favour on my trip to europe this year. I managed to lose my passport on my travels, but fortunately had a record of my passport number, which together with the ID license, resulted in minimal hassle at passport control.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
(08-08-18, 06:58 AM)Robbie8666 link Wrote: [quote author=Fazerider link=topic=24410.msg282827#msg282827 date=1533642494]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=24410.msg282813#msg282813 date=1533595374]
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.
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my NIP does state that if you have a paper part of your licence to send it and it will be retained & destroyed as it is lo longer valid.(I'm guessing that's if you don't have a photo licence. I thought you had to get your photo licence renewed every 10 years? (just checked & mine runs out in 2020!)
[/quote]Ah yes I think that is where I got it from that way in my mind. I only have a paper licence issued some time in the 80s and if I have to send it off to have points then like you say it will need to be replaced with a plastic photo one. These original paper only ones do not have have to be renewed until you reach 70.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Got my speed awareness course soon, cant wait ! 63 in a 50.
I will pass on any useful tips I pick up on it,
(06-08-18, 01:02 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=Bretty link=topic=24410.msg282781#msg282781 date=1533554211]
Incidentally I got flashed in France a couple of times on Friday night. Once by a regular speed camera, the second time between toll booths! That's a new one. Collected ticket at gate one.. Arrived at tollgate two to oay, about 100km down the road. As my passenger inserted payment card into the toll gate. BIG *##FLASH##* and had our photo taken.
Touch wood these tickets never seem to catch up with me.
What sort of speed were you doing along the autoroute?
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Averaging 140-150kmph (in a car), limit was 130kmph
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I got caught out 2 weeks ago on the M5 northbound approaching M42 where I failed to slow to 40mph quickly enough as had usual Audi/BMW/Merc following close behind.Have opted for a "motorway speed awareness course" next month to save getting the 3 points. Was clocked at 47mph which, while I accept I was technically breaking the law, consider if I had braked might have resulted in being shunted in the rear. This section of the M5 is a joke as there has been a long term lane closure in place in lane 4 (which is lane 2 for M5 north). I can only assume this is to discourage motorists continuing up M5 through long term roadworks between J2 and J1 and to encourage them to use M42 instead. The result is a funnelling of traffic,last minute lane switching and delays for all concerned. Accidents continue to happen on the new "improved" 4 lane section of M5 from Worcester to M42 turn off and believe me speed isnt the main culprit-its lane hogging,switching,undertaking and following too close. Looking forward to being shown how to use motorway properly as I have only driven 3/4 million miles on these in the last 53 years!! :lol
Sort of same subject is "smart motorways". Doing the correct thing by using the old hard shoulder at night its a nightmare one min its active the next its not, other people wont give you a gap to get out of it. They create a shortened - altered approach for those joining the M way. I found myself at night on a section I do not know still driving along in the - now actual hard shoulder untill I came to a matrix sign just for me saying STAY OUT OF HARD SHOULDER.
So from now on I will not be using the "Smart" lane - cause its stupid and dangerous.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(09-08-18, 10:05 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: Sort of same subject is "smart motorways". Doing the correct thing by using the old hard shoulder at night its a nightmare one min its active the next its not, other people wont give you a gap to get out of it. They create a shortened - altered approach for those joining the M way. I found myself at night on a section I do not know still driving along in the - now actual hard shoulder untill I came to a matrix sign just for me saying STAY OUT OF HARD SHOULDER.
So from now on I will not be using the "Smart" lane - cause its stupid and dangerous.
I've never used that lane.
My reckoning is that if anything appears to have been deliberately made more confusing than it needs to be, then there's a wallet lightening fine involved somewhere.
(08-08-18, 09:31 PM)Bretty link Wrote: Averaging 140-150kmph (in a car), limit was 130kmph
I better be careful next week then.
I tend to stick to around 130 on the autorute though so shouldn't be too much of an issue.
The bigger issue for me will be the 80kmh limit they have everywhere else now
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
as a heads up, Mrs Robbie has just informed me that Devon & Cornwall out in force this weekend due to Boardmaster in Newquay.
not that I intend to go above legal limits for a while 
It ain't what you ride, it's who you ride with!!!
(08-08-18, 01:53 PM)Flooky link Wrote: Got my speed awareness course soon, cant wait ! 63 in a 50.
I will pass on any useful tips I pick up on it,
I have now done three of these course, I read earlier in here that you are allowed 10% + 2mph before they prosecute you, I think that might be a digression thing as I got done doing 34 mph in a 30 limit on my Fazer by the old type Treveleo camera that could only take a pictures of the rear of your vehicle.
The original Gatso could not get you as the camera only took pictures of the front of your vehicle (No number plate on front of a bike)
There has been a new Treveleo camera out now for quite a while (Mostly in Norfolk area) The Treveleo D (Digital) it can take pictures forward and rearward facing.
My understanding is if you see a flash of a camera and there are no other vehicle about you have most likely be caught by an older rear shot Treveleo camera, because cameras that flash do not do so into a drivers eyes.
Most modern digital speed cameras do not require a flash, the same the van based cameras you see along the road, them bad boys can get you at any point as long as they can see you, 15 yards 600 yards makes no difference to them, I understand that they also have technology that allows the camera to clean up the image (Rain spray, mist and the like)
Most that you will be taught on the Drivers Awareness Course will just underline stuff that you already know. One thing I did learn though that I had never ever given a thought is that the speed limit on a motorway slip road is 70 mph, the national maximum speed limit.
(10-08-18, 03:59 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: I have now done three of these course, I read earlier in here that you are allowed 10% + 2mph before they prosecute you, I think that might be a digression thing as I got done doing 34 mph in a 30 limit on my Fazer by the old type Treveleo camera that could only take a pictures of the rear of your vehicle.
Speeding is whats known as an "absolute" offence. You are either speeding, or your not. There is no grey area. In a 30mph limit they could do you at 30.1mph but don't as the courts would be full up with people complaining. this is why the association of chief police officers set a discressionary +10%+2mph limt where they wouldnt presecute.
In reality, if you have a standard vehicle, at a real 70mph your speedo could legally be reading anything between 70-77mph. Regrdless of how accurate your speedo was when new with new tyres etc, once the tyres start wearing, the discrepency creeps in.
In the real world, 34mph probbaly read somewhere between 34-37 on your speedo so you knew you were OTT. No defence really.
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
It is not a fixed 10%+2mph across all the police forces. It varies across the country. MCN did a freedom of information thing on this very subject a couple of years ago and got a lot of varying answers.
Oh I was not complaining about being done at 34 mph, of course I would sooner I had not been done, but the bar has to be set somewhere, I have heard people say I was only doing walking pace over the 30 limit and the bastards done me, you have to start somewhere.
I expect to get a ticket if caught on camera doing one mile per hour over the limit and am always pleased when I don't.
The 10%+2 and 10%+9 discretionary limits also prevent lots of challenges against the accuracy of the camera. If I were done at 30.1 mph I'd be asking lots of questions about when the camera was last calibrated and tested.
(10-08-18, 05:50 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: Oh I was not complaining about being done at 34 mph
I would be.
It's a ridiculous punishment for such a minor infringement when there was no accident and no-one suffered any loss or injury.
If you think 30mph is slow spare a thought for my area of South Birmingham where they have introduced a blanket 20mph zone.
If you drive/ride at 20mph you get tailgated/flashed by following cars. Even the police dont observe it travelling downhill on a certain road.
So at what point do previously law-abiding road users lose all respect for the law and join the ranks of the rest?
I think it would be in everyones interest if the police were able/willing to police our roads properly and focus on the really serious offenders who seem to get away with all sorts.
(12-08-18, 08:11 AM)Dave48 link Wrote: I think it would be in everyones interest if the police were able/willing to police our roads properly and focus on the really serious offenders who seem to get away with all sorts.
That'll be the day! :lol
Ordinary, decent road users are the ones that cough up all the cash for petty infringements without any fuss or bother 
ref the post about motorway gantry cameras saying do 60 and flash you doing 70
a speed limit is only enforceable if the speedgate sign is surrounded by a red circle as per the road signs you see. If it's a smart m/way then they have the ability to do this on the electronic signs but if any m/way sign just states a figure e.g. 60 and it's orange with no red circle then its only an advisory speed and you cannot be done for speeding
fire never sleeps
(31-08-18, 09:24 AM)maddog04 link Wrote: ref the post about motorway gantry cameras saying do 60 and flash you doing 70
a speed limit is only enforceable if the speedgate sign is surrounded by a red circle as per the road signs you see. If it's a smart m/way then they have the ability to do this on the electronic signs but if any m/way sign just states a figure e.g. 60 and it's orange with no red circle then its only an advisory speed and you cannot be done for speeding
Yeah, tend to see these flash up on the motorway where they warn of queues ahead, or even "traffic calming" ahead. M25 is a good one, north of Heathrow.
I do wonder if the Cameras on the gantry then know this sudden change of speed limit based on the flashing sign that pops up, so will flash you doing 61mph, while you are slowing down from 70... or they are "set" for 70mph.  hrug
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