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Loosing power ???
#21
Before you start, playing with the TPS.


Check the simple first, lack of power in the mid to upper rev range could be several things: -


1. Lack of fuel weak mixture
2. Lack of air rich mixture
3. Too much air weak mixture
4. Too much fuel rich mixture
5. Weak spark.


The ignition system on Fazers is pretty solid, the leads can fail as can the caps and where the leads join the coils, or a cracked plug.  All of these are easily checked, inspect the leads/caps and plugs, if all cylinders are firing it's suggesting your issue isn't the ignition system, but it could be.  Lift the tank start the bike close the garage door just enough to darken the garage DONT shut the door, don't go mad or stay in there too long, it takes minutes to do this. If you don't have a garage do it at night outside, rev the bike and look for arching across the caps/leads.  You normally suffer poor starting with ignition system problems, which you don't mention so I assume haven't got?


Based on the information you supplied I'm doubtful it's an ignition problem.


You've checked the breathers and you say they're ok.  This leaves fuelling and air as likely culprits, check in this order: -


1. Air blockage, check the air intake I've seen rag or neck warmers sucked into the intake which restricts the air flow in mid range riching up the mixture.
2. Check the filter they don't last for ever, this is easy just take it out and ride it, if it all ok fit a new one. 
3. Check the starter plungers are fully returning on every crab when you release the choke, this has the same effect as above.
4. Check the carb diaphragms even a tiny hole will stop a slide from raising, this will give you a weak mixture.
5. Check the inlet rubber balance nipple caps these split/tear when being pulled off, sucking in air and weakening the mixture.  The inlets rubber will crack but these are very rarely more than skin deep, often owners waste money replacing them for nothing.
6. Check the fuel line, start at the petcock the clean the filter, check the inline filter and check the pump run a pump test.


In my experience it's very rarely the ignition system but could be caps leads are the main areas to check, I've never had a TPS actually cause your issue, when they fail the bike just doesn't run as well.  The same with carbs being out of balance they just don't all of a sudden go out of balance and unless they way out the bike will still pull in the upper rev range just not as well.


Good luck lets us know how you get on.   
 
                     
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#22
TPS was out as so I adjusted. Problem still there. Just had a mate pop over who heard the problem I was having and he thinks it would be worth changing the plugs and air filter as they are at the mileage range where they should be changed and although the plugs look fine they may well be breaking down especially as at higher revs where the problem is, he also pointed out that the air filter is not as clean as I thought it was. So going to order those parts and if still no joy I'll go through what you have listed to check Gnasher.


Thanks for all the help and advice, I'm calling it a day as it's getting on my tits plus I can't do anything until I get the parts. I'll keep you all posted on the progress ??
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#23
TPS should read 5K.
If it reads 0 or 10K it needs adjusting
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
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#24
(28-05-17, 02:46 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: TPS should read 5K.
If it reads 0 or 10K it needs adjusting


It was showing 10k but I have now adjusted it so it's reading 5k but the problem is still there, I've just ordered a service kit for about £50 from wemoto that contains all new air filter, oil filter, fuel filter, 4 spark plugs and sump plug washer. It was cheaper to do that rather than just buy plugs & air filter as I would need to buy the oil filter stuff later on any way for when I do the next oil change.
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#25
As i said before, from previous personal experience the TPS rarely just stops working, they break down.
As you know how quick and easy it is to do now, check it again at the end of the week, and see if it's still sitting at 5k, if it isn't then it's time for a new one.
They quite obviously have a tendency to become faulty over time so it would be no surprise to me if it was knackered.
I've learned the signs now by the behaviour of my bike because of how many i've changed, but the new one sorted it all out.
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#26
I will check it again at the end of the week like you suggested as I can do it at the same time as when I fit the new plugs and air filter ?
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#27
Update:


Fitted the new spark plugs, air filter & fuel filter and the problem got better but didn't go away completely, so spoke to my mate again and he told me (after confirming his thoughts with my other mate who I bought the bike from) that they recon it needs a new regulator rectifier, so found a new one on eBay for just under £40, it arrived today so I swapped out the old one and just got back from test riding and so far the problem has completely gone. So I'm now a happy bunny again.


Thanks everyone for all your helpful advice.
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#28
All you had to do was quickly read this  :lol


http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,2066.0.html
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#29
(04-06-17, 10:24 AM)darrsi link Wrote: All you had to do was quickly read this  :lol


http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,2066.0.html


Quickly! There is 43 Foccing pages  :rollin :rollin :rollin
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#30
Book to follow  Wink ........hope it solves your problem .
One, is never going to be enough.....
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#31
(05-06-17, 10:30 PM)red98 link Wrote: Book to follow  Wink ........hope it solves your problem .

Will it be published by Haynes as I can get discount then as they recently bought the company I work for  :lol

Problem seems to be sorted after fitting the new Regulator Rectifier, rode it to work this morning and all fingers crossed seems fine and back to normal if not slightly better than before  :thumbup
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#32
Good to hear  :thumbup ......tested mine and it showed no problems , iam still not 100% sure it was faulty but been fine since , its good that you think its running slightly better than before , parhaps the reg/rec had been slowly breaking down but not enough to notice........really do hope its the answer to your problem , can be bl**dy frustrating these type of problems....
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#33
it is very frustrating as where things keep going wrong it's making me wonder if I should trade it in for something newer, but I'm finding it very difficult to pursuade the wife to let me get an MT-10  :lol plus I don't really want to get rid of it as I love my  :faz it's such a cracking beast.
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#34
Noooooooooo...dont sell the fazer.......was out with the LOFO's at the weekend and one of the muppets thought it a good idea to leave his fazer at home and bring his MT10 instead  :rolleyes ...i was on my 600 boxeye , followed him all day and to be honest , i couldn't see any difference in performance between the two bikes    Wink
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#35
I don't want to sell the  :faz as like I say I love my red boxeye beast as it's just such a nice ride, but I know there will come a time that it will have to go as I do really wan't a bigger CC bike. Maybe my mate accross the road will trade his MT-09 for it as he said to me that he prefers smaller bikes since pootling about on his girlfriends Van Van, it means I would still get to see and maybe go for a blast on the  :faz from time to time. I test rode his MT-09 the other day and well it felt as nice a ride as the  :faz but with that little extra poke that I'm looking for  Big Grin
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#36
Ah yes....classic symptoms.......this is how it started for me.....I now have 5 bikes    :lol




as it says below........one is never going to be enough  Wink
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#37
If I could I would have a fleet of different bikes, but unfortunatly I just do not have the room as even 2 bikes would be a very tight squeeze in my garage. For a short period of time I did have 2 bikes and it was such hard work trying to get a bike out and even put away in an evening and as I ride everyday I just didn't need the extra hassle  :lol
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#38
added update: The bike is definatly running better than normal now, my ride into work this morning on this bright sunny day really showed that as the power was flowing through so well I was actually struggling to keep the front wheel down  :lol
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