If it is indeed basically an R1 naked then i accept that i am wrong on the above.
For uk riding only i really dont get the whole small tank issue considering most folk probably stop to eat & crow & share photos & text the missus every 50 miles......i bet some owners dont even manage the 50 miles.......but i accept that more is better.....only if the fuel sacrifice can be proven worthwhile in regards to other positive aspects of the bike.
Who could afford an R1 yet not want an R1......old farts basically.....old farts with more money than sense.
So basically this bike is for old, loaded, posing farts with more money than ability.
The MT07 range is the closest thing to the old fazer by far...not technically but in spirit, cheap, affordable, capable and realistic for the average bloke........own it new and cherish it and go fast on it..............ok anyone can spend a couple of grand on a 15 year old sportsbike....but the fazer brought new bikes to the population.
These new bikes are cool but they are missing the point a bit i reckon.
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
19-11-15, 09:36 PM (This post was last modified: 19-11-15, 09:53 PM by AyJay.)
Well, it will be like the Gen 1 Fazer - same architecture but differing in some ways like the crank weight will be more (not many details as yet) - but the reckoning is 199 kilos which is pretty light in this day and age given how much catalytic converters weigh. Oo, I just checked and it does have the same bore and stroke as last year's R1 not the 2009 model. They've jumped a generation because the FZ1 was based on the previous R1. This one is the current bike. Lovely.
The tank range thing - well, I actually ride bikes. I do around 35,000 miles a year which is why my Gen 1 is just about to top 150,000 miles, the poor old thing. But even if I was a Sunday rider, I would still despise wasting time filling bikes up as much as I hate the forced wait at supermarkets. And that's what filling stations are these days. The real issue is that if you're on a ride out, if you want to stop, you want to be free to choose a nice place not be forced to stop at a bloody filling station. And if you use a bike for commuting like I do, a small tank means a trip to fill up every single day. It drives me up the pole.
The Gen 1 certainly feels top heavy because of the 21 litre tank and I really feel it when turning in or stopping though, but IoM TT bikes tend to tuck it lower under the seat and I just don't understand why bike manufacturers can design 200 bhp machines and yet not work out how to make a larger tank fit and/or look good. Of course, I know the answer really - it's simply because the average biker who does 5k miles per year and doesn't need it. They're not real bikers. They're just posers with a Sunday toy. That should get the cat amongst the pigeons!
And lastly, the Gen 1 when it came out was over £8000 quid. I'd bought a brand new ZX9-R the year before for £7000 so the the original Fazer was never a cheap bike. And if this one is the MCN suggested price of 10k, that's a mere 2k price rise in 15 years. Now that's a bargain.....
It won't be. I reckon it'll be more like 11-12k at least.
(19-11-15, 09:36 PM)AyJay link Wrote: Well, it will be like the Gen 1 Fazer - same architecture but differing in some ways like the crank weight will be more (not many details as yet) - but the reckoning is 199 kilos which is pretty light in this day and age given how much catalytic converters weigh. Oo, I just checked and it does have the same bore and stroke as last year's R1 not the 2009 model. They've jumped a generation because the FZ1 was based on the previous R1. This one is the current bike. Lovely.
The tank range thing - well, I actually ride bikes. I do around 35,000 miles a year which is why my Gen 1 is just about to top 150,000 miles, the poor old thing. But even if I was a Sunday rider, I would still despise wasting time filling bikes up as much as I hate the forced wait at supermarkets. And that's what filling stations are these days. The real issue is that if you're on a ride out, if you want to stop, you want to be free to choose a nice place not be forced to stop at a bloody filling station. And if you use a bike for commuting like I do, a small tank means a trip to fill up every single day. It drives me up the pole.
The Gen 1 certainly feels top heavy because of the 21 litre tank and I really feel it when turning in or stopping though, but IoM TT bikes tend to tuck it lower under the seat and I just don't understand why bike manufacturers can design 200 bhp machines and yet not work out how to make a larger tank fit and/or look good. Of course, I know the answer really - it's simply because the average biker who does 5k miles per year and doesn't need it. They're not real bikers. They're just posers with a Sunday toy. That should get the cat amongst the pigeons!
And lastly, the Gen 1 when it came out was over £8000 quid. I'd bought a brand new ZX9-R the year before for £7000 so the the original Fazer was never a cheap bike. And if this one is the MCN suggested price of 10k, that's a mere 2k price rise in 15 years. Now that's a bargain.....
It won't be. I reckon it'll be more like 11-12k at least.
Fookin ell aj jay.......so you're telling me that the every 350 miles i do....im not actually riding!.......because im not boring myself with a job that neccesitates 35k a year on a bike that im not capable of being a biker....well in that case id rather not be one thank you very much......if i was you id buy a helicopter :b
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
I have several bikes and the one i use for work has changed several times depending on where i work (most miles). The other two are used at the weekend purely for utter fast pleasure and neither have high mileage
Don't panic Noggy, I was only joking! I even consider hipsters on Ducati Scramblers real bikers. And scooter riders for that matter. For me it's two wheels that make you a biker and it doesn't matter if you're on a Goldwing or a Melody. Mind, Harley riders... well, they're something else entirely. I'm not even sure they're from this planet. JOKE! Before someone misses the tongue in cheek.
I just made the colossal mistake of moving out of London when the prices went up and now I live 60 miles out and can't afford to move back so I either take the train (4500 per YEAR to stand) or use the bike. Which I'd have anyway.
I like the helicopter idea. I bet it's cheaper than Midland Mainline's season ticket....
(19-11-15, 10:50 PM)AyJay link Wrote: Don't panic Noggy, I was only joking! I even consider hipsters on Ducati Scramblers real bikers. And scooter riders for that matter. For me it's two wheels that make you a biker and it doesn't matter if you're on a Goldwing or a Melody. Mind, Harley riders... well, they're something else entirely. I'm not even sure they're from this planet. JOKE! Before someone misses the tongue in cheek.
I just made the colossal mistake of moving out of London when the prices went up and now I live 60 miles out and can't afford to move back so I either take the train (4500 per YEAR to stand) or use the bike. Which I'd have anyway.
I like the helicopter idea. I bet it's cheaper than Midland Mainline's season ticket....
Sorry mate........its just that i had only done 34, 499 miles last year and was feeling a bit shit about not making the mark but my mangina just couldnt take the stress :lol
You should move to wales and get a job a in a vegetable packing factory and probably still end up with a better work/life balance
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
I think it is a horrible bitsa looking thing, it looks unfinished especially around the radiator oil cooler area. Look a a BMW S100R or V4 Tuono to see how it should be done.
After seeing spy shots of the new KTM GT they have now announced it is being released.
I would like a test ride but this ticks all the boxes for me.
Oh God yes. That is going to be awesome. But I can't deal with the clattering about on big V twins in town. I need the smoothness of a four, they're much more forgiving and useable, which is why the Gen 1 is such a great bike. 20mph to 160 in top, no problems at all.
Looks like the cat took the spot normally reserved for the center stand. Not sure if there is going to be enough room or attach point for an aftermarket one.
That would suck.
Otherwise, I kinda like the Transformer look. I am sure I would get used to it. The bike does look awesome. Hopefully it will be a proper successor to the 1st gen we all love.
Not my cup of dargeeling...its seems bike manufacturers are running out of ideas and just trying cobble together anything as long as its different to last years offering. For me they are straying to far away from the original idea of what a good looking bike was. I love the look of my Fazer to me a lot of the appeal is opening the garage standing back and just standing there loving what you see. I didn't/ don't like the look of the FZ1 but its probably a really good bike but I am just saying aesthetics for me play a big part in buying a bike. I couldn't live with that fairing the whole bike looks like its been designed by four different designers each one having a completely different idea of how a bike should look. Maybe its because I grew up on a staple diet of RD's, Zeds, GSX's and LC's to me they were all beautiful looking bikes...but that not for me ta.
I quiet like the look of it apart from the front end, for me a bike with all that power needs a proper nose cone & screen, I wonder if they will do a faired or part faired version???
To me it looks like Johnny Five at the front. A pukka half-faired version with a few litres more fuel and it might be a better bike. But a Gen 1 for the new age? Ha-ha!
Oh, and it's about time that bike horns moved on from the silly little tinny circular things we've had for decades. It probably has Lucas stamped on the back.
(22-11-15, 12:39 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote: Oh, and it's about time that bike horns moved on from the silly little tinny circular things we've had for decades. It probably has Lucas stamped on the back.
Just be thankful we don't have to put up with the Prince of Darkness headlights and 7" thumbs anymore. :lol [size=78%] [/size]
I just had a sit on one at the NEC. The riding position feels exactly the same as the Gen 1 save for slightly less leg room. Still no prices, but I'm buzzing ...
Tell you what,won't there be some FZ1's at the right money ? I think you'll get a new one for around £ 6500/7000.You could put all kinds of goodies on it,Gillies rearsets,acropovic can,trick levers,etc for another grand,what a tool that would make for the money! Is the MT10 worth upwards of £3000 more?
never look down on anyone unless you're helping them up.
You can trick the FZ1 as much as you like. It'll still not be as fast, handle as well, or have traction control, slipper clutch, etc., etc.,. The MT10, like the rest of the top nakeds, is leap years ahead. The FZ1 is a 10 yearold design & looks it. If I didn't have an s1r I'd be on this like a shot. It'll be a hoot to ride.
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