Footballer Ched Evans

[lew600fazer]

So that is it then she says she was raped as she was that pissed and had passed out and is believed. I am sure the Chad Evans would have said she was awake and consented. The so called video footage was that recovered?
I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.

Only slight levels of Cocaine and Marijuana found in her blood stream, falls down pissed in a cafe, agrees to go to a hotel for sex. Sounds like a real classy lady, but yes she is entitled to the protection of the law, but so is Evans, he did his time but yet is still being punished.

[Razgruff]

He didn't do his time.
he still on licence and serving his sentence.
That's why he can't leave the country.

I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.

Poor little rich boy getting victimised because of his position ?
Is that what you are saying ?

[lew600fazer]

No I am not saying poor little rich boy. He is being victimised by the do gooder or supposed to be do gooder public, threats are being made against Oldham football club employees if they sign him.
Okay he is out on licience, why is he out on licence, is there some doubt here about if he is actually guilty.
This is typical of the media hyping this case up and by so doing ensuring Ched Evans will not be able to play pro football again.

I am sure that poor innocent wee girl has been left totally traumatised by this whole life changing expeirence. She will no longer be using drugs , getting pissed and stopping strange men in the street and going to a hotel after agreeing to have sex with said stranger. I doubt it very much. Disgusting behaviour by all concerned.

[Razgruff]

Okay he is out on licence, why is he out on licence, is there some doubt here about if he is actually guilty.

Prisons are over crowded they kick em out as soon as they can. Like the hospitals

He is being victimised by the do gooder or supposed to be do gooder public, threats are being made against Oldham football club employees if they sign him.

So he's the victim in this ?

I am sure that poor innocent wee girl has been left totally traumatised by this whole life changing expeirence. She will no longer be using drugs , getting pissed and stopping strange men in the street and going to a hotel after agreeing to have sex with said stranger. I doubt it very much.

I saw nothing in the transcript about her stopping anyone ?
Your comment looks like the standard it's her own fault.
Maybe we should adopt the Hijab for our women, so that our poor men don't become inflamed by passion due to the behaviour and dress of women.

Being drunk don't mean that you are up for a gangbang where I come from, maybe it's different round your way.

[mtread]

Well said!

[darrsi]

So that is it then she says she was raped as she was that pissed and had passed out and is believed. I am sure the Chad Evans would have said she was awake and consented. The so called video footage was that recovered?
I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.

Only slight levels of Cocaine and Marijuana found in her blood stream, falls down pissed in a cafe, agrees to go to a hotel for sex. Sounds like a real classy lady, but yes she is entitled to the protection of the law, but so is Evans, he did his time but yet is still being punished.

There are other drugs out there that would be untraceable in the system the next day, and would also knock her out for a short time, especially if mixed with alcohol.

[lew600fazer]

The applicant and McDonald had spent the evening with friends visiting various licensed premises. At some time shortly before 4am McDonald became separated from the group of friends. The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi. The taxi driver thought that her upper clothing was somewhat dishevelled. The taxi driver took them to the hotel, where the applicant had booked and paid for a room in McDonald's name. During the taxi journey McDonald sent a text message to the applicant telling him that he had "got a bird" or words to that effect.

Gang bang round my way, this is a discussion nothing to do with what may or may not go on were I live.
If you cannot see that Ched Evans is being victimised by joe public and the media take your blinkers off. If the lad is guilty of rape he has been punished for it, he certainly is becoming the victim now.
You mentioned the Hijab, well if that was the case she would have been stoned to death under that regime and Evans would have walked away scott free, as under Shirah law, 4 men have to come forward and say that rape took place.
You mention that my comment is the standard (it's her own fault) I will give you that , yes I do not have a lot of sympathy for her. Lets hope though that she and Evans and his mates learn something from there disgusting behaviour.

[Aegis Bearing Mel]

This article I liked more than a little...

[Razgruff]

getting pissed and stopping strange men in the street

I read from the court report

The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi.

My understanding of the English language can't quite seem to square this two sentences  :\

[lew600fazer]

You have your views I have my views. Ched Evans served 2.5 years for a crime he firmly believes he did not commit.
As it has been pointed out he is out on licence one would assume if he as sneezes in the wrong place he will be banged up again

My beef is the media and others are victimising him and by doing that are making sure he does not return to earn his living as footballer.
Just wonder when this entirely innocent wee girl will make a few bob selling her story to some Sunday Tabliod.

I see Gordon Taylor is now becoming a target, would appear every word one utters is under scruinty.

[darrsi]

Oldham have actually said no to Ched Evans, but he's going to play for them anyway then deny it afterwards. 

[mtread]

One point that's been missed out of this discussion is that Evans pre-booked the hotel room and gave the key to his mate. This was all planned before hand. They were looking for any girl and not too bothered about her condition.
Ched Evans is not a very nice man.

[lew600fazer]

So were did you get that little nugget from , this was all pre planned.
I would have thought that a fit young guy like Ched Evans would not really need to go arrange/preplan anything like that. Plenty of hookers out there I am sure he could have hooked up with. All he needed to do was phone Wayne Rooney, (whoring around while his wife was pregnant)perfect roll model for kids now England captain. Perhaps Tiger Woods(roll model) could have given him a few tips.
Yea yea I know they were never charged or convicted of rape.

[locksmith]

At best, you could say he took advantage of a very drunk lady.
Still not acceptable in my book.

[FZSteely]

Wherever Evans goes in the footballing world in his search for employment, he will never get that monkey off his back. What he should do is go down the legal route and do things properly. No matter how much he pulls the puppy dog eyes, as it stands he is a convicted rapist, pure and simple. He shouldn't attempt to convince people of his innocence until he has gone down the proper appeal process. If he is exonerated then he has every right to walk around in the public eye as much as he wants, with his head held high!

[lew600fazer]

At best, you could say he took advantage of a very drunk lady.
Still not acceptable in my book.

I agree with you there, and yes not acceptable conduct.

[VNA]

One point that's been missed out of this discussion is that Evans pre-booked the hotel room and gave the key to his mate. This was all planned before hand. They were looking for any girl and not too bothered about her condition.

Indeed.  It wasn't to kip in.

At some time shortly before 4am McDonald became separated from the group of friends. The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi.

So perhaps he went off out looking for a legless out of her head bird to get back to a hotel room for them all to fuck for a good laugh.  Then having had some fun and realising the bird was in a real mess, they slip out the room, let the night porter know the bird was in a bad way (just in case she needs to go to hospital or anything I guess) and they slip out the fire exit. 

I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.

I dunno how it works in England, but it's probably similar to up here.  Something like -  Police send report to Procurator Fiscal.  They go through it all and decide if there is a case to answer and possibility of sucessful prosecution.  If yes they proceed.  Media has to keep out of it.  Then in this case it's down to the jury, ordinary Joes like us.  Nobody gives fuck whom the accused is, the system works the same for all. 

There are shades of grey in this case.  Is Evens guilty of rape, well that's for the jury init.  Is there a case for an appeal, well that's for the process.  Evens's pal is very lucky to get off the hook.  And if this is not rape, it is certainly a case of sexual predators taking advantage of an incapacitated young girl.  Sick bastards.  Maybe there is a a gap in the law here.

If you cannot see that Ched Evans is being victimised by joe public and the media take your blinkers off. If the lad is guilty of rape he has been punished for it, he certainly is becoming the victim now.

Those guilty under law are to be not only punished but rehabilitated.  Ched Evens has not been rehabilitated, he is an arrogant and sadly ignorant young man, whom thinks he and his mate can pick up seriously drunk birds, fuck, film and dump them for fun, he sees nothing wrong with this, and thinks he can now aftre a couple of years locked up pick up and  continue his privileged life.

Unfortunately for Ched he doesn't work down at Tesco, he works in the public arena.  It is the ordinary football fans who will decide if they want to go and see him play, they will decide if they wish to see him employed, and it appears a lot of them feel strongly that they no longer wish to go and see Ched Evens play.

Look he's a young fit man.  He has blown it 100%.  Some humility and he might have just made it back, but as it is, fuck him, he can go and find an ordinary job like the rest of us, he can go and dig ditches or something. 

Here's a thought, if I forget to lock my door tonight before I go to bed, and somebody is sneaking aboot looking for unlocked doors, finds my door unlocked, pops in and removes my possessions...........well did I consent to this becuase I left the door unlocked?

If I am pissed there are lots of things I am not allowed to do.  I'm not allowed to go to work, I'm not allowed to drive my car.  Why?  Well a big part of it is that my decision making process is impaired.  So if you pick up a legless bird...........................

[richfzs]

Well said vna. (although I do confess, I got a bit lost in your last paragraph?)

[dazza]

A little while ago I was outside Farringdon Underground station waiting to start work.
I noticed a drunk, attractive, well dressed young lady crying, I approached her and asked if she was alright.
She said that she had lost her friends and had no way of getting home. I asked her where she lived and if she had any money for a taxi or bus. She said she hasn't.
She then asked if I could take her home and her words were, "I can pay you in other ways".
Alarm bells immediately rung as all the implications of such a situation I could of got myself into started to flash through my mind.
What sort of predator would take this as an opportunity to get her to a hotel room, have sex with her, film it without her knowledge and invite a few of your mates.
Still feel sorry for him Lew ? Would you be happy for him to date your daughter ?

BTW....That was a fantastic evening.    :evil :lol

[taylor]

perhaps he should have proposed to here.  to keep the peace