Bastard!

[slimwilly]

But just to stir the pot I bet I pay less for motor car and motorcycle insurance than a 25 year old and me being 66, I wonder why that would be. :nana
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because they know the pension only stretches so far :lol

[R1FSR]

There are two Types of Sleep Apnea 

Why should airflow into the lungs drop during sleep?
There are two main causes. These causes define the two major types of sleep apnea:


Type of Sleep Apnea



Obstructive Sleep Apnea....... Airflow is blocked.......Air cannot enter lungs properly.
caused by weight , tonsil ,jaw issues ...this is the most common.


Central Sleep apnea... your breath is reduced wich can cause Heart failure. problem lies within brain for this one.


A person with sleep apnea usually has one of the two types predominate. A third type of sleep apnea is "mixed sleep apnea" -- a combination of obstructive and central.

When people talk about "sleep apnea," they usually mean obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). OSA is more common in the general population than central sleep apnea.

Snoring is related to OSA. About 70% of people with OSA will snore. About 25% of people who snore have OSA


ever nodded off and woke with a gasp/snort/fart then nodded back off ..well that's your brain telling you, you stopped
breathing and there is something wrong ..wake up quick ....we probably all done it.

if you do it quite often go to the docs get it checked out .

black and white terms is you stop breathing when your asleep and your brain wakes you up before you pop off.


also when/if you get diagnosed with SA you get advised to inform the DVLA by the hospital/doctors ...wich is down to you to do...in turn you will lose your licence for a year depending what you drive could be more if you drive wagons/trucks(4 yrs if I recall)

[noggythenog]

Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there.


But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?


Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b

[darrsi]

Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there.


But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?


Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b

You mean Narcolepsy.

[Grahamm]

also when/if you get diagnosed with SA you get advised to inform the DVLA by the hospital/doctors ...wich is down to you to do...in turn you will lose your licence for a year depending what you drive

But not if it's being successfully treated.

A friend uses a CPA machine which has "cured" his sleep apnoea and he's allowed to drive.

[R1FSR]

But not if it's being successfully treated.

A friend uses a CPA machine which has "cured" his sleep apnoea and he's allowed to drive.

This is true actually ... I had just been reading about epilepsy and the DVLA for a friend ....made the comment before realising .

[R1FSR]

Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there.


But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?


Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b

(awake apnea) ...not as such ...BUT sleep apnea does have a knock on effect ...you can 'x' amount of 'apneas' every hour when asleep without realising it ...wich in turn makes you tired during the day.


complete pauses (apneas) in breathing that last at least 10 seconds during sleep. Most pauses last between 10 and 30 seconds, but some may persist for one minute or longer. This can lead to abrupt reductions in blood oxygen saturation, with oxygen levels falling as much as 40 percent or more in severe cases.
The brain responds to the lack of oxygen by alerting the body, causing a brief arousal from sleep that restores normal breathing. This pattern can occur hundreds of times in one night. The result is a fragmented quality of sleep that often produces an excessive level of daytime sleepiness.
Most people with OSA snore loudly and frequently, with periods of silence when airflow is reduced or blocked. They then make choking, snorting or gasping sounds when their airway reopens.

Mild OSA: AHI of 5-15
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require little attention, such as watching TV or reading

Moderate OSA: AHI of 15-30
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require some attention, such as meetings or presentations

Severe OSA: AHI of more than 30
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require more active attention, such as talking or driving
Risk groups

People who are overweight (Body Mass Index of 25 to 29.9) and obese (Body Mass Index of 30 and above)

Men and women with large neck sizes: 17 inches or more for men, 16 inches or more for women

Middle-aged and older men, and post-menopausal women

there is a lot more to it than the above ..that's just a basic breakdown.

[noggythenog]

This is pretty intersting actually.


When i've been my fattest then i really do snore allot.


A guy at work has it also, i think he uses oxygen at night time when he is sleeping, he is still allowed to drive.


But my original point stands though.........this guy had sleep Apnea.......but sleep Apnea didnt cause the crash.....falling asleep caused the crash......whether or not he was breathing while he was asleep doesnt really matter a foc because that's purely his own medical thingy.......he didnt have narcolepsy......it isnt like a medical condotion caused him to fall asleep.....him being a dick and staying awake too long and driving too far caused him to fall asleep.


Or am i maybe missing something?


Ref the epilepsy...i believe my wife has to be 1 year free from major fits and absences.....but allot of this is down to honesty because she could in theory just lie to her specialist doctor and say that she has been totally free and then blag a driving licence.....totally irresponsible and theres no way she would do that but im just saying......sge only sees the specialist once every 6 months.


Cancel all that.....im a dick......just read R1's post properly and i can now see that it also makes you sleepy whilst  doing stuff when you are awake.


Ill get off my sop box now, learn something new every day. 8)

[Dead Eye]

My dad had Sleep Abnea - the OSA kinda

He used an oxygen mask thing at night which cured the issue and he was never instructed or advised not to drive

I mostly agree with Noggy though, this seems to be a case of the driver being a fucking dick. There isn't even any mention of an apology or signs of remorse...

[darrsi]

My dad had Sleep Abnea - the OSA kinda

He used an oxygen mask thing at night which cured the issue and he was never instructed or advised not to drive

I mostly agree with Noggy though, this seems to be a case of the driver being a fucking dick. There isn't even any mention of an apology or signs of remorse...

Hence the title......."Bastard!", and not in the sense of his parentage.

[Dead Eye]

Agreed

[BBROWN1664]

My Mrs was mis-diagnosed with epilepsy about 18 years ago meaning she got a 12 month medical ban. She didn't realise she was meant to tell DVLA at the time but was told she had to tell them before she started driving again.
Once again, 14 years ago she was told she had suffered a fit, the first for 4 years, and had to endure another 12 month ban.
Finally 3 years ago, having had the first fit for 11 years, they did some more tests and discovered a rare heart condition that just made her pass out due to lack of oxygen to the brain (some say she hasn't got a brain anyway). 6 month ban that time as they fitted an ICD but the doctor only told her that when she asked because of her past experience.

To summarise, the doctors don't always tell you and even when they do, they don't tell you the right information.

[phonesurgeon]

I suffer from OSA and had to endure a 12 months without licence (2years ago), because at the time my neuroligist queried secondary epilepsy. After all the tests carried out proved normal and within the parameter a student nurse suggested OSA... An whadd'ya know... I have had my license back now.

[Dave48]

This has been interesting reading and maybe relevant to a friend who has recently been diagnosed with some form of this condition. He has also been told to loose some weight-he isnt in the seriously obese category but considered a bit over the "average" for his height/build/age.
He passed his direct access this year at the age of 52 and is looking to get his first "proper" bike-Fazer 600 looking good to him.
However, if he is told/legally obliged to report this diagnosis to DVLA-looks like a 12 month medical ban.
This got me thinking about the list of medical conditions that MUST be reported to DVLA Medical Branch-its a long list-check it out. Wonder how many would have their licences suspended/revoked if they were totally honest. :eek

[darrsi]

This has been interesting reading and maybe relevant to a friend who has recently been diagnosed with some form of this condition. He has also been told to loose some weight-he isnt in the seriously obese category but considered a bit over the "average" for his height/build/age.
He passed his direct access this year at the age of 52 and is looking to get his first "proper" bike-Fazer 600 looking good to him.
However, if he is told/legally obliged to report this diagnosis to DVLA-looks like a 12 month medical ban.
This got me thinking about the list of medical conditions that MUST be reported to DVLA Medical Branch-its a long list-check it out. Wonder how many would have their licences suspended/revoked if they were totally honest. :eek

Deja vu?
Didn't someone mention that before?  :look

[BBROWN1664]

Kin ell its a long list. Some of which make you think "What the fec has that got to do with the ability to drive?" To be fair though, the list isn't as long as it seems. Click on some of the links and they say you dont need to notify them. Why add them to the list then?

https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving

Being non medical, I don't understand the difference with some of the conditions but aren't HIV and AIDS the same thing? Is so, why do you need to report one and not the other?