Union power

[VNA]

Regarding the unions though, WANKERS. The lot of them and Bob Crow is amongst the worst.

8 million wankers.  Nice one.  Ya fud.

[Phil]

Never been a member of a union myself, but I do think sometimes they are necessary to stop employers taking the piss. It's sad to have to say that, but we see it often enough. It's about balance. Employers should look after their employees, and unions & employees should not feel the need to go all militant in their methods to get what they are entitled to. But unfortunately, we have this thing called human nature... :\

I agree. I've been in a Union all my working career. They handled our outsourcing/insourcing well where we could have lost out even more than we did. I've been on strike twice in 29 years, the last time was 1992 or thereabouts. The last ballot for industrial action 2 or 3 years ago about cuts/pensions got a resounding no.

Dont forget, its the workers that have to vote for a strike, not just the Union leaders saying lets strike.

Do other European cities have ticket offices for all stations on their underground/trams? I cant recall seeing an office in Koln or Vienna, you just stick your money in the machine. A simplified pricing structure would help. Vienna has 1 city zone for the majority of the city.

[Hamos]

I thought they were closing the offices and putting some of those people in the stations to assist on the shop floor?  Can't see a problem with just using ticket machines.  And if there is a handy high vis clad "travel coordinator manager executive assistant" somewhere to help when I have spent 10 minutes trying to shove my fiver into the credit card slot then that is a bonus.
I've been through London only a handful of times, so not enough to get familiar with the underground system, but I've never had to use a manned ticket counter, or felt the need to, so a big fuss about nothing in my view.  I would have more sympathy if they were just striking about the loss of jobs, but grinding London to a halt because some ticket offices are getting shut, seems OTT to me.

[JoeRock]

The Japanese value and respect their workers and do much business on the basis of trust.  Change at work in a Japanese plant is through negotiation. 

Working at a Japanese bank, that is true. However what it also means is that they are often reluctant to change, particularly where its needed quickly, and often have an unneccesarily complex business structure because of it!

[lew600fazer]

Anyone who believes there is no need for unions is just a fucking idiot,
But fuckit my 2 pence worth move half the fucking jobs out of London to areas were the cost of property is less and labour costs likely less as well. No wonder the Jocks are pushing for Independance, everything in this fucked country seems to be centred in the South East of the country.

As regards Thatcher spending her remaining days at the RITZ even her own children had had enough of the old cunt.
Got herself elected for a second term on the back of a war. Then refused to let the injured and disfigured for life, service men parade through London with the armed forces as part of a victory celebration to saint Pauls.
Yes they were allowed to attend the service but had to quietly file in and sit at the back so as the general public could not see there hideous scars and disfigurement.
That old bitch has split the UK in two as in the North South devide.
She led the charge to destroy our manufacturing base ably assisted I may add by Scargill and co, but at least villian that he was he forecst the damage that that bitch and her cronies would do to the country.
The London underground are wanting to make x amount redundant to save £50 million, will those savings be passed onto the customers in stalling the next price hike in fares, I doubt it. They save £50 million , payout redundancy packages(costs please) the now unemployed have to sign on the dole for benifits, which I assume will be means tested. Who is going to pick up the tab for unemployment benifits? so can some one explain to me were are the actual savings.
One thing I will say is that strikes by public service workers should not be allowed, but if an independent body fines in favour of the work force heads should roll at the very top of management.
Get back to talking about fazers for fucks sake and screw politics.

[Exupnut]

Lew....... U got some miner issues.... Lol and not even a mention of the poll tax... Go on son... Let it out....we all here ya...

[slimwilly]

Haha, we are all entitled to an opinion  , whether it is shared is another thing,dont get to mad or personel,remember there are us employers who have to work hard for the jobs we create ,and we are in favour of self enterprise,if you want it , go and get it, learn to make your own oppertunities.


Employers have to bend over backwards to comply with the law for employees, some of the recent rights are a bit of a piss take and sometimes you have to ask is
it all worth it.

[locksmith]

and sometimes you have to ask is
it all worth it.

Yep I downsized years ago and got rid of full time staff. Got fed up working my bollocks off to give thousands of pounds to staff.

Nowdays, overall I have less stress and more money in my pocket!

I'm self employed and my earnings are directly effected by my productivity and bottom line profit.

By striking London Underground are forcing probably thousands more people to lose a days wages as well - not funny.

[nick crisp]

Bit too heavy for my morning read - Christo, where are ya?!  :lol

I do wonder about people who say go and make your own opportunities though. Is it only people who have managed to that say this? Don't the conditions, as well as the individual's attitude have to be right to do this? Oh well, I must just be a thick bastard then.... :\

Us workers whinge about our lot - that's just what we do, it keeps us happy 

[slimwilly]

yes nick !!!


then we all hugged and went for a pint

[Slaninar]

[size=1.35em]"Carl Marx believed that there are two major outcomes of prolonged capitalism. The first outcome is the gradual formation of a smaller and wealthier social class (the capitalists). Because the wealth of society continues to accrue to this wealthier class, the increasing wealth of society is controlled by less and less. At the same time, weaker capitalists gradually sink into the lower class of laborers. The second outcome is the alienation of workers. While workers produce more and more wealth, they turn poorer and weaker to the point they become mere commodities."
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[size=1.35em]It will get worse and worse. Perhaps those 19th century Luddites were not so crazy after all. Unions and strikes are the only way for workers to fight for themselves, although Union leaders are often bribed and working for the capitalists actually, while pretending to be fighting for the workers.[/size]


[size=1.35em]Best way to rule is to divide people. [/size][size=1.35em]I'll always remember when in secondary school some thugs came to beat a guy from our class. We all stood behind him and said - you fight one on one, or we all come in. They gave up.  Some years later, in the army, 5 older idiots were harassing 50 new ones. Without problem. What was the catch? 50 new recruits came from different parts of the country and didn't feel united, connected. So as long as the thugs didn't harass all 50 at the same time, but picked one by one - there was no problem.[/size]
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So one must make sure to divide people. When train drivers are protesting, make people hate them, for the inconvenience, not support them. Later, when professors start strike, train drivers will remember no support and not help professors get their rights. Make people not feel as one, but divide. Starving in Africa - who cares?! Taxi drivers having problems - just make sure they don't block the streets in protest, I need to go to work. My wage is cut this year in half - no one but me cares, just as long as I don't inconvenience them with my whining...

[pilgo]

a point that seems to escape the 'im alright jack' brigrade is that when us peasant workers go on strike,  we lose a days pay,and so you dont strike willy nilly,you strike after months/often years of shit 'management' and bullying/harasement. the days of red commie wankers getting the workers to walk cos 'someone looked at em wrong' are thankfully long gone,but every strike ive ever been involved with in my 32 years with Royal mail have been long drawn out events that have led to a legal ballot-the fact that every ballot has returned a massive YES vote shows that the cause was true and NEEDED.

yes,strikes cause inconvience to other people but some times in life you have to stand up for yourself and your workmates,cos if you dont no one else will,the post about the classmates standing up for the kid being bullied was spot on.

put it this way,if we was out on a foccers ride out and some cager knocked off one of us,would the rest of you ride round the downed foccer or would you all stop and help? and if that caused the road to be blocked,causing hold ups for the other cagers,would you give a toss? no,your'd be more concerned for the welfare of the poor foccer who's been hurt.its the same to me,you look out for yer mates/work collegue's and if some fuck wit does'nt get it,then sod em  :evil

[nick crisp]

put it this way,if we was out on a foccers ride out and some cager knocked off one of us,would the rest of you ride round the downed foccer or would you all stop and help?

Suuuuch an opportunity for some shit-stirring here - resist, RESIST, RESIST.....Phew, crisis over!  :evil :lol

[pilgo]

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put it this way,if we was out on a foccers ride out and some cager knocked off one of us,would the rest of you ride round the downed foccer or would you all stop and help?

Suuuuch an opportunity for some shit-stirring here - resist, RESIST, RESIST.....Phew, crisis over!  :evil :lol
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do it!! 

[ChristoT]

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put it this way,if we was out on a foccers ride out and some cager knocked off one of us,would the rest of you ride round the downed foccer or would you all stop and help?

Suuuuch an opportunity for some shit-stirring here - resist, RESIST, RESIST.....Phew, crisis over!  :evil :lol
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Cough, cough....

[VNA]

We've lost two good Union men in the last couple of weeks,

Mick Abbot - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obitua...79828.html

Tragically Bob Crow - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014...1/bob-crow

And earlier in the year Hugh D'Arcy - http://www.scotsman.com/news/obituaries/...-1-3283178

Those who slag of the Unions might want to read their obituaries.  If you are getting a decent rate of pay, an eight hour day, paid breaks and holidays, decent welfare facilities, a safe work environment etc etc etc etc etc, well it's probably down to folks like Mick, Bob and Hugh along with all those members whom supported them. 

It is of course particularly sad too loose Bob so suddenly.  I think it's a big loss, we need more trade unionists with the intelligence, wit and negotiating skills that Bob possessed, and of course above all his absolute integrity.

The RMT membership increased from less than 60,000 to over 80,000 during Bob's time as leader.  Speaks for itself really.

A lot of folks will miss Bob. 

[esetest]

Bob Crow was generally respected and  loved by his members , says it all really . Its a shame there  aren't more people like Bob who was prepared to fight for fair pay and conditions .

[lew600fazer]

Well Boris was on TV saying he was a decent Chap, bet Boris is happy all the same to see the back of him. Agreed we need more like him employers are getting away with murder these days. And all you feckers who moan it is tough being an employer , try getting by on a basic salary.

[slimwilly]

It is dog eat gog out there,


sad news about Bob,did his job well according to his members.

[VNA]

Well Boris was on TV saying he was a decent Chap, bet Boris is happy all the same to see the back of him.

I won't shed one single tear over her death.  She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I am concerned she can rot in hell  - Bob Crow commenting on the death of Thatcher.

Boris is a lying Tory wank.