17-09-13, 09:25 PM (This post was last modified: 17-09-13, 09:27 PM by simonm.)
I'll have a look tomorrow. I'm reasonably certain the guy I got the bike from hadn't modded the seat.
I don't exactly know where or how to measure the seat height, just that it looked and felt lower when I changed them over. I heard it from someone, but I can't remember who that the seat height changed.
I'll look even more of a prat than I always do when I measure them tomorrow and they're the same. heh heh.
Sorry in advance if I'm incorrect but it didn't look/feel like it. Now I need to go and take my placebo's.
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Rich, I bought new trousers the day I got my fazer and they're decent textile ones which fit well. I don't think I get knee ache in jeans but I only wear jeans rarely and for small trips less than 10 miles where my knee doesn't play up. When I ride my dads SV I don't get the same problem so I'm wondering if it's the tank or something because his bike is about the same size. Either way I'm quite strongly coming down in favour of keeping my Fazer and making it fit me better.
The brake pedal may need to go a bit lower, I can press it down fine now so I can experiment with it I guess but I do sometimes like having the balls of my feet up anyway just would be nice to not have it up always on the right.
This is all probably going to add up though, and I still haven't even bought half the things I was planning to buy when I actually bought the bike due to having to fix stuff.
The shiny one does feel lower down but is slipper maybe due to the bike have done 30k rather than 6k on the other or maybe the bloke I bought it from was heavier. Dunno.
Either way having your seat reshaped may help. Sorry for my false lead.
Opinions are like A**holes, Everyone has one. Some people seem to have more than one though which is a bit odd.
(17-09-13, 09:30 PM)Yamazer-92 link Wrote: Rich, I bought new trousers the day I got my fazer and they're decent textile ones which fit well. I don't think I get knee ache in jeans but I only wear jeans rarely and for small trips less than 10 miles where my knee doesn't play up. When I ride my dads SV I don't get the same problem so I'm wondering if it's the tank or something because his bike is about the same size. Either way I'm quite strongly coming down in favour of keeping my Fazer and making it fit me better.
The brake pedal may need to go a bit lower, I can press it down fine now so I can experiment with it I guess but I do sometimes like having the balls of my feet up anyway just would be nice to not have it up always on the right.
This is all probably going to add up though, and I still haven't even bought half the things I was planning to buy when I actually bought the bike due to having to fix stuff.
Is it your right knee then???
If your brake pedal is too high & youre skewing your foot out to the right then that cant really be good for anybodys knees.ive recently adjusted my pedal right down & although ive only done 1 short run since then it did make a difference as I could put my foot on the peg facing forward instead of turned out.
I'd seriously try strapping something to your seat to raise you up, even as an experiment, dont know what you could use but if you found it made a difference you could get a custom seat made up with lots of extra padding for height.still cheaper than changing bike ifit works.
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
I asked you before about your leg pains but without response. If you haven't sustained an injury and there is no family history of knee pain it is almost certainly muscular. I found Clair Davies' book on Trigger points worked well for treating most of my muscular pains including legs. Failing that, a decent Rolfer will bend your legs / knees back into the right shape, although they cost a lot more. At 21 there's no way your knees are b0rked ...yet
Regarding the bike, if I were you I would add extra foam to the seat & re-sculpt it. This would then allow your legs to be straighter (as long as you're tall enough to handle the extra seat height).
Then if your seat is higher you may need to add risers.
There are lower pegs on ebay but £££ eg item 130820080669
Failing all that, you may need to consider swapping/part exchanging your bike for the likes of a TDM850 which I found to be much more comfortable
Compare ergonomics here: http://cycle-ergo.com/
(18-09-13, 11:54 AM)simonm link Wrote: Perhaps it's psychological, sorry.
The shiny one does feel lower down but is slipper maybe due to the bike have done 30k rather than 6k on the other or maybe the bloke I bought it from was heavier. Dunno.
Either way having your seat reshaped may help. Sorry for my false lead.
Hey don't apologise at all bud, you've given us all definitive proof now!
I might buy a scrap seat anyway and see if I can modify the mountings to raise it a little.
Broken, bruised, forgotten, sore,
too fucked up to care any more.
The shiny one does feel lower down but is slipper maybe due to the bike have done 30k rather than 6k on the other or maybe the bloke I bought it from was heavier. Dunno.
Either way having your seat reshaped may help. Sorry for my false lead.
Hey don't apologise at all bud, you've given us all definitive proof now!
I might buy a scrap seat anyway and see if I can modify the mountings to raise it a little.
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The shiny one does feel lower down but is slipper maybe due to the bike have done 30k rather than 6k on the other or maybe the bloke I bought it from was heavier. Dunno.
Either way having your seat reshaped may help. Sorry for my false lead.
Hey don't apologise at all bud, you've given us all definitive proof now!
I might buy a scrap seat anyway and see if I can modify the mountings to raise it a little.
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Kebab if you're on about in my advert then I did answer I just didn't go into a lot of detail. I have previously injured it yes but it wasn't major just hurt to walk o straighten fully for a while, it wasn't dislocated or anything. It probably has never properly healed since, so I would agree it is muscular or cartilage related hence why I think it would be a good idea to see a doctor about it to get a professional opinion. I agree about the seat heightening / sculpting and have a friend who's in a family business that makes custom seats for cafe racers so I could ask him if he could do it then get him to put a cover over the top of the new foam.
I did consider a TDM but they seem quite expensive and honestly I couldn't really see any plus points about them over the Fazer except they are very slightly more comfortable. There was one for sale in a showroom near me but it was quite high mileage, I should go and have another look though and ask to sit on it but it didn't look much taller or bigger really. I do want my legs to be straighter though and I'm confident I would be able to easily handle the extra seat height. As said though, the new problems this brings are - the screen will be directing wind directly under my helmet / neck area at that height and my legs may not go into the tank grooves properly.
Noggy it is the right knee and I will look at the brake pedal on friday when I'm off work, I put the ball of my foot on the peg so that I don't have my leg turned out as I have long feet and my boots scrape on the floor if I take a sharp right.
Paul to be honest I have no idea, I did find at first the shape was odd and slid me into the tank but I think I've since got used to it. It's something worth thinking about though, my dad's mk1 SV seat / tank combo is a lot more comfortable it's just not as good a bike.
(18-09-13, 07:28 PM)mr self destruct link Wrote: [quote author=simonm link=topic=9926.msg102343#msg102343 date=1379523905]
Now this is a little freaky:
Hmm.... I'm hoping the guy I bought it off just robbed the picture off this advert, but I'll slap a dispute on his ass if it's not right.
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That's the spirit. Bit of eBay dispute, PayPal and credit card fall back. He won't know what slapped him in the face with a kipper if it isn't right :-)
Opinions are like A**holes, Everyone has one. Some people seem to have more than one though which is a bit odd.
Just to add to my earlier post, here is the TDM I was on about earlier. I'm not mega interested but will have a look on friday and have a sit on it, my dad has the day off too so he's coming along. I may be more interested when I see it in person, reviews are mixed on the internet with a lot speaking very highly of them and some saying they're very dull. I think the later models like this one are the best ones? Sound nice anyway, bit worried about the mileage but it does have a few nice upgrades like the blue spot calipers on the front. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorc...?logcode=p
Well if you've had an injury you probably need to stretch the ligaments & muscles in the surrounding area. The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook can be downloaded for nowt if you're so inclined, might be worth a look.
Do your feet point outward while you walk? If your feet were the hands of a clock, they should be in the 'twelve noon' or 'five minutes to one o'clock' position. If you're 'ten minutes to two' like me, you're almost guaranteed to have leg, knee & lower back problems.
According to http://cycle-ergo.com/
the knee bend for the 96-01 TDM850 is 80 degrees while the Fzs600 is 74 degrees (smaller number means more bent). More foam in the Fazer seat & those low pegs on fleabay might get you to 80 degrees
Personally I loved my TDM but I know they are a bit Marmite. With suspension upgrades they stay with anything on a tight back road, but they are a good 10 ponies down on the FZS
You're right, miles are too high on that one, particularly for the price. I'd track down a 30000 miler
Well I saw the TDM today, had a sit on it and it was definitely taller and had a nice upright position which I liked. That particular one was absolutely not worth the price though and was about 1/4 of the condition my Fazer is in, rear shock looked like it had had it, lots of cracks / scratches all over and the tyres and chain were very worn. But at least I know it's a future candidate and now have a benchmark of what kind of height I need to try and adapt my Fazer too.
Today was the first time I'd ridden my bike for almost a month, started on the button no hassle at all and rode faultlessly for the whole ride over dartmoor we did after viewing the TDM. My knee ache hasn't improved though, if anything it's worse. I'm glad I didn't sell it though and am looking forward to adapting it to myself. It might take a while but I'll take some photos when it's all done.
Oh yeah and kebab when I walk apparently my feet point inwards not out according to my mum although I think they are straight myself. Still going to go to the doctor though.
(18-09-13, 07:38 PM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=mr self destruct link=topic=9926.msg102369#msg102369 date=1379528908]
[quote author=simonm link=topic=9926.msg102343#msg102343 date=1379523905]
Now this is a little freaky:
Hmm.... I'm hoping the guy I bought it off just robbed the picture off this advert, but I'll slap a dispute on his ass if it's not right.
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That's the spirit. Bit of eBay dispute, PayPal and credit card fall back. He won't know what slapped him in the face with a kipper if it isn't right :-)
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Well I got it today and stripped it down. It looks like adding the base to my existing seat will give less than an inch extra height, so it might be better to add the foam on top instead.
Broken, bruised, forgotten, sore,
too fucked up to care any more.
(23-09-13, 11:15 PM)mr self destruct link Wrote: [quote author=simonm link=topic=9926.msg102373#msg102373 date=1379529539]
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[quote author=simonm link=topic=9926.msg102343#msg102343 date=1379523905]
Now this is a little freaky:
Hmm.... I'm hoping the guy I bought it off just robbed the picture off this advert, but I'll slap a dispute on his ass if it's not right.
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That's the spirit. Bit of eBay dispute, PayPal and credit card fall back. He won't know what slapped him in the face with a kipper if it isn't right :-)
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Well I got it today and stripped it down. It looks like adding the base to my existing seat will give less than an inch extra height, so it might be better to add the foam on top instead.
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Two things. I'm glad it turned up and was as expected. When I saw the other link I was a little worried. Second, as Darrsi said, why remove foam to add foam? May as well just glue the suckered on top and a heated seat sounds funky too.
Opinions are like A**holes, Everyone has one. Some people seem to have more than one though which is a bit odd.
Yeah I was thinking originally that the new seat's base could be bolted to my original seat base to add the height, but it leaves the frame and all a bit exposed to the elements.
Heated pads do sound tempting, and I reckon it'll be no problem to carve the foam up and add the front part under my existing seat.
Broken, bruised, forgotten, sore,
too fucked up to care any more.
